Quote from: RickJamesBTC on December 30, 2013, 12:53:54 AM

Quote from: Bargraphics on December 30, 2013, 12:40:23 AM

Quote from: RickJamesBTC on December 30, 2013, 12:29:43 AM

Quote from: Bargraphics on December 30, 2013, 12:27:49 AM

Quote from: RickJamesBTC on December 30, 2013, 12:25:54 AM

The only legitimate fact about this company is that they haven't shipped as promised.

and are offering refunds if those people are not willing to wait.

Until enough people stop believing in a scam company and ask for the refunds, at which point they will cut and run.

Who is backed by eASIC (Which you have made abundantly clear you don't care about but it is still worth mentioning to the people who use their brain) as a customer.

Would be a shame for a multi-million dollar company to back a scam as a customer. Could you imagine the backlash on them

Who cares that they are in business with eAsic. That doesn't mean they are "Backed" by anyone! They could walk out on contracts with that company just as easily. Everything you say comes off as bullshit, because it is all hopes and wishes. If there was any proof of work, completed miners, shipped product, I'm sure you would be happy to show it. With all the scams happening in this community right now, a company has to do a lot more than pay shill posters like you to try and keep the ponzi dollars flowing in.

1.) You pay upfront, ~1M in NRE

2.) I'm not being paid, but you will keep attacking me and not providing valid points for your argument.

I'm fine with you attacking me as it shows how weak your argument really is. I'm simply presenting facts that you again ignore because of your ignorance.
If they had a product they would post it and show it, unfortunately there were delays and those have been publicly posted and anyone that wants a refund can get one. Once they have something they will show "proof". I do hate repeating myself so here is a past post.

Quote from: Bargraphics on December 27, 2013, 03:57:25 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on December 27, 2013, 03:40:22 PM

Ok so you or anyone else that invested in this don't know anything for sure. Only pure speculation.
I have stated it was speculation and I'm glad that you have stated your views are pure speculation even though you come on here blatantly saying it's a scam without any proof to back it up. To each their own I guess.

Quote from: RoadStress on December 27, 2013, 03:40:22 PM

The chips may or may not be available in late January. By that logic they may also be available in January 2015. Nobody knows!

Actually anyone familiar with the IC process and the timelines that are industry standards understands that your logic is incredibly flawed. Small (1-4 week delays) are standard in this industry. Month/Year long delays are not.

Quote from: RoadStress on December 27, 2013, 03:40:22 PM

Also the fact that there isn't much information seems really strange for me and they aren't the only company that offer refunds. BFL offered refunds too on Paypal (yes a bit forced, but still they were offering refunds).

How do you come up with this stuff in your head? A forced refund IS NOT a normal refund. AMC is offering actual refunds to it's customers. You can try and twist that any way you want but again you are making yourself look bad by even comparing calling up PayPal as a last resort and demanding a refund versus calling the company and them giving it to you without a hassle.

Quote from: RoadStress on December 27, 2013, 03:40:22 PM

Also please tell me what proof do you have besides a press release from eASIC? Is there anything else to show the progress that they made or at least a specific date for the chips? Because i never saw a statement from eASIC saying that chips will be available on a specific date.

Are you asking for pictures of the inside of a Fab while they are making the mask? Are you asking for the files of the specific chip they sent to the Fab to make that mask? Are you asking for pictures of the chips while they are being made at the Fab? Jesus Christ, just like any other ASIC company out there you will NOT get a picture of the chips til they are in the hands of the manufacturer of the ASIC. No one is going to get access to a fab to get these pictures or release their IP to the public.

As far as a specific date for the chips, we had an initial timeline long ago. That timeline was never updated but based on information we gather from updates such as these:

Quote from: ActiveMining-PR on December 18, 2013, 11:38:54 PM

Weekly Update 12/18/13

Crypto-Trade:

I have all of the legal issues worked out, and I am programming them into the verification site.

VMC:

We are working with eASIC and our engineers to get our chip and boards in full production.

We have stock piled all the hardware to build the miners and we are per-assembling the miners.

The new timeline that is speculated is this:

Quote from: deizel on December 13, 2013, 08:15:06 PM

I've brought this timeline over from the other thread as I think it may be useful to keep a copy here.

The dates in bold are confirmed by announcements, while the others are projected from estimated timelines in the prospectus.

26th July [source] - Ken estimates two weeks for NRE to be paid (during visit to eASIC)
3rd August [source] - Ken returns from his trip to eASIC and the Engineering firm
4th August [source] - Ken posts to say he is busy working on eASIC deal
(sometime before August 28th) [used for guesstimates below] - NRE Funds paid
28th August [source] - Ken confirms NRE funds were converted 'some time ago'
4th September [source] - eASIC issue press release
12th September [source] - Avalon refund confirmed as having been received
1st November [original guesstimate] - Chip samples delivered in 9 weeks;
30th October [source] - Ken announces gradual hashrate increase including 'other resources' [source]
25th November [original guesstimate] - Low-volume chip production starting in 12 weeks, using an e-beam process;
30th November [source] - Ken announces delays due to further R&D and unveils Intellihash(tm) technology
12th December [source] - Weekly announcement states "we are continuing to bring in all the parts for mass production of our miners"
18th December [source] - Weekly announcement states "working with eASIC and our engineers to get our chip and boards in full production"
24th December - 9th January [original guesstimate] - Normal volume chip production starting in 16-18 weeks.

* Note: As of 30th November, probable delays have been introduced into the timeline.

(I will be trying to keep this updated as more facts are revealed. In an effort to keep this thread tidy, please PM me with any suggestions.)

We're all waiting to see chips, I never hid that fact, but coming on here uninformed such as you are and plastering bullshit responses such as 2015, BFL gave refunds, etc.. is simply unacceptable.

Quote from: RickJamesBTC on December 30, 2013, 12:56:07 AM

Someone who has money on the line please call the eAsic rep listed in that press release monday.
eASIC Corporation
Niall Battson
(408) 855-9200
nbattson@easic.com

Let them know that you have spent money with VMC and have not received a product yet, and you wanted to know if eAsic has any statement to confirm that orders have been shipped or placed, or if they want to go down with the ship when the CA Attorney Generals office gets involved.

eASIC chip NDA: http://axs.net/AMC/eAsic-NDA0001.jpg and http://axs.net/AMC/eAsic-NDA0002.jpg

Good luck getting them to break their NDA. Obviously they have orders placed if there was a PR release on their website stating so and eASIC will likely tell you that they are working with them but nothing else. Good luck on your adventure. I'm extremely sorry that I had to prove you wrong left and right through this whole mess. I know how badly you want to be right and you've shown you do not care if what you write is completely ignorant of the facts.

I don't care if this company is a "scam" in any sense of the word you guys want to make use of. What matters is everyone that finds this company has access to all of the facts and not just a couple blubbering idiots crying wolf on every ASIC Manufacturing Thread.