Quote from: suchmoon on July 15, 2018, 03:10:13 AM

It's funny how this thread is being flooded with noobs and accounts woken up after months of hibernation, all so suddenly eager to whitewash the scam on page 52. I wonder what Occam would say about this.

Nice implication, but my post count has nothing to do with the points I am making. I have followed this scam, have spoken out about it in the places I go from the first time I learned of it, and came here to give my input, precisely because it is in various respects more informed than yours, by your own admission (of not frequenting some of the places in question).

Quote from: suchmoon on July 15, 2018, 03:10:13 AM

Quote from: 0x000090 on July 15, 2018, 02:00:02 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on July 14, 2018, 11:52:26 PM

Lying is quite wrong either way. Whether smaram lied about ever having the FPGA, or is lying now trying to cover up the scam.

Fallacy of the excluded middle: it is entirely possible he is telling the truth, and was scammed just like the rest of these poor suckers. Now please consider this:

No, the fact is he lied - he promised (TWICE!) to provide additional info and he didn't.

Unless you have info I do not, he has not lied yet, his statement has consistently been that he will provide pics when back from out of country. He is a fairly public figure; unless he never returns home, it is going to be pretty difficult to avoid the requests for pics, because I do not figure they will stop. When it is known he has returned, and still refuses to produce them, then I'll definitely adopt your position; likewise, if it goes on for some length of time that he claims not to have returned home, I will have to suspect, but then that is thorny, since you never know how life goes.

Quote from: suchmoon on July 15, 2018, 03:10:13 AM

Quote from: 0x000090 on July 15, 2018, 02:00:02 AM

Furthermore, occam's razor for me says it is just highly unlikely that someone preoccupied with running one of the more successful and complex cryptonote projects would want to get involved with some stupid scam, in such a public way, with no escape route.

That's not how Occam's razor works. There is absolutely zero proof of the miner ever existing. The scammer absconded with the money. The only other person who claimed to have seen the miner is having a tantrum and threatening with lawyers instead of taking a few pics. And he's the one telling the truth? Come on.

I don't see how that follows (re: occam's). I did not suggest an actual miner ever existed. I even specifically stated my own particular theory on what that lump of circuits may really have been doing. I think he is not doing himself any favors with how he is handling himself here, but on the other hand, he has literally had people trying to extort him (see again the screenshot I linked). And I did not say he is telling the truth; I said it is possible.

Quote from: suchmoon on July 15, 2018, 03:10:13 AM

Quote from: 0x000090 on July 15, 2018, 02:00:02 AM

In the end, what are the facts regarding Saber? He claims to have been shipped the unit he ordered, he said that it worked, but not well, and he said he would provide pics when he returns home. Could he have been shipped the unit? Why not -- the dwarf scammers obviously had one "working" prototype (which just remote-controlled a rig, imho), which they could easily have shipped to him, after creating their now-deleted youtube videos.

That explanation fits the facts just fine, and is what I will be going with until presented with some actual evidence to the contrary.

There can't be actual evidence of something not existing, it's up to smaram to provide proof that he didn't lie because he's the one making the claim that he got the miner.

To the contrary, here, means contrary to his implicit claim to be telling the truth. For example, as mentioned above, returning home and yet refusing to provide the promised pics would be evidence of lying.