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"Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true.

https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072

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We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network.

Of course, a fundamental mistake is the errant premise that Bitcoin Cash somehow belongs to Jihan and Roger (see "their network" above).

Another mistake is the odd dogma that non-mining validating entities have any effect on the network itself. The only power such non-mining validating entities have is to isolate themselves from the blockchain being built.

Isolate? No, they are there to enforce the rules. If non-mining nodes did not have "any effect" on the network then would it be "ok" for only mining nodes to run, enforcing their rules and their rules only?

News flash: they do.

Yes they do, if they run their own nodes.

Another news flash: miners run nodes. Indeed, in the design of Bitcoin, nodes are miners. But nevertheless, whether or not a miner chooses not to run a non-mining validating entity (I suppose this is what you mean when you improperly use the term 'node') has zero to do with the fact that the miners enforce their rules and their rules only.

But if they do not run a node themselves then they are delegating the enforcement of the rules to someone else.

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But let us ask ourselves this question, "Whose rules are the miners enforcing?"

Already answered. Those of the miners themselves. As per design.

But what software are the mining pools or the miners running? Bitcoin Core 0.16.1? So are they, together with the other non-mining nodes, under the enforcement of rules developed by the Core developers?

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I believe the answer is easily answered by knowing what nodes the miners are running or what nodes their mining farms are connected to. Which will also give us another question, "Whose rules is the Bitcoin network enforcing, the Core developers or someone else's?"

Already answered. Those of the miners themselves. As per design.

But what design? Does it not apply anymore? Mining has become very specialized, and cartelized or centralized.

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"They vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. Any needed rules and incentives can be enforced with this consensus mechanism."
- 'Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System', Satoshi Nakamoto

The words of Satoshi. Do you believe we should follow it like a religion?