Quote from: jinni on January 01, 2014, 09:54:42 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2013, 04:14:58 PM

Quote from: jinni on December 31, 2013, 03:57:35 PM

What on earth are you basing this statement on? At least Yanukovych is corrupt enough to jail Tymoshenko, in what was at best a political trial. At worst Tymoshenko is the victim of deliberate persecution by Yanukovych.

That depends on which media source you are reading. According to the one I have access to, Tymoshenko is not only corrupt, but she is also one of the world's topmost corrupt leaders.

Ban Ki-Moon has criticized the Tymoshenko-trial. I'm not saying he could not be wrong or even lying, but where are your sources?

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2013, 04:14:58 PM

Quote from: jinni on December 31, 2013, 03:57:35 PM

What is the EU's "stick" against Ukraine?

Compare the EU visa regulations for citizens from Moldova and Ukraine. You will understand.

Quote from: jinni on December 31, 2013, 03:57:35 PM

I'm saying Ukraine as a country would have greater independence under an EU hegemony and I'm saying that its people would enjoy more personal liberty under an EU hegemony.

I think it is the other way around. In EU you have banks taking away cash from people's savings accounts. Is this what you call more personal liberty? The price of gasoline in the EU is among the highest in the world. VAT is astronomically high, and so is income tax. Personal liberty in the EU is just an illusion.

The share of GDP taxed in Russia is actually a little higher than the unweighted EU average. In the EU it is possible to voice dissent publicly without being punished.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2013, 04:14:58 PM

And the argument that Ukraine will have greater independence under the EU is laughable. It is just 3 or 4 big nations which hold all the power in the EU. The remaining states don't have much of a voice. That's why countries like Hungary and Poland are being forced to accept mass immigration from third world nations and legalization of homosexuality, although 90% of the population is against it.

Smaller countries have surprisingly large amounts of influence in the EU. As a puppet of Russia, all Ukrainian policy will be decided in Moscow. In the EU parliament, MEPs are directly answerable to their constituents and as such their positions depend more on their ideology than the country from which they are from.

Borders and other immigration-stopping boundaries are immoral and not liberal at all. Immigration is a sign of more freedom, not less. Thinking you can stop homosexuality by just passing a law is naive, besides accepting it gives more personal freedom.

So there is less tax and more personal freedom in the European hegemony. Hence Ukraine should lean towards the EU rather than Russia if it is forced to choose. Europe is the lesser of two evils, but still of course horribly wrong.

Dont fuck with Russia. Period.I believe they also have High tech weaponry, dont believe the movies that you watch.