Quote from: xtraelv on August 07, 2018, 02:17:01 PM

Quote from: BADecker on July 26, 2018, 01:12:20 PM

Stalin, Hitler and Mao were some of the biggest supporters of gun control, and together they killed as many as 200 million. How did they do it? They used the guns they had control of. How did they get control of the guns? Through gun control.

LOL what a load of bullshit ! Back up that statement with historical facts. Here are some historical facts:

Hitler

Most of the gun control in Germany came from the Versailles Treaty around 1919. Germans were banned from possessing firearms.

Treaty of Versaille, imposed by the allied powers
Article 169 "Within two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, German arms, munitions, and war material, including anti-aircraft material, existing in Germany in excess of the quantities allowed, must be surrendered to the Governments of the Principal Allied and Associated Powers to be destroyed or rendered useless."

In 1928, the gun control laws were made less severe.
The Nazis actively campaigned against gun control legislation.
Hitler didn't come to power till 1933 ! Hitler didn't take guns, he made it easier for people to get guns !
Hitlers 1938 law actually weakened gun control and made it easier for everyone except Jews to own guns !
In 1938 the legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.
By 1938 Hitler had so much control that no matter how many guns the Jews had it wouldn't have saved them.
The Russian Army lost 8-10 million men fighting the Wehrmacht and another 14 million civilians - the Russians had machine guns, tanks, anti aircraft guns, aircraft, explosives etc.

https://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Mao

Mao didn't take away guns. Not only did people living in the country have rifles for hunting, some communities even had small artillery pieces and anti aircraft guns.

Of course it was under the proper direction of the party. It wasn't hard to get or own a gun during Mao's time.

It is only after Deng Xiao Ping took over that the militias were gradually banned, and their weapons were confiscated.

Stalin

Private citizens could own hunting weapons if they had police permission. Police and militia could confiscate guns of people that showed "irresponsible behaviour"

In 1929-30 there was a clampdown on guns. - so Stalin exercised gun control.

Of the 6 million people that perished under Stalin it is said that 3 million starved to death. Maybe they could have eaten their gun if they still had one.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/little-gun-history/

Thanks for this very detailed post. It's annoying when people throw around statements without any facts. I like it when people do their research. I'm not really sure what to take of all this though. So, these three leaders were responsible for the death of millions. For at least some time, the all had very lax gun control laws. So, will more murders happen when there is less gun control? Or will there be less? Or perhaps it's not correlated at all?