Quote from: The_Tick on August 02, 2018, 02:39:51 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 01, 2018, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: The_Tick on August 01, 2018, 04:05:57 PM

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

However, the U.S. is supposed to be about freedom.

How many times haven't some simple people been sitting in their own home, and enjoying a small amount of pot, when the cops break down the doors, and haul the people off to court? They weren't dealing. They weren't hurting anyone. But the courts trick them into admitting that they were doing wrong, and some of them are doing time for being FREE.

Why are people in government trying to take your freedom away? Because that is what it amounts to. They may not have come to your door with their law enforcement, yet. But they have thousands of laws they could use on you if they wanted. And if they did, you wouldn't know how to fight them in court or otherwise.

But, you say, the U.S. is a democracy! A democracy means rule by the majority. So, 51% vote a particular government in. Then the government says drugs are illegal. The result is that many of the 51% lose their freedom, right along with many of the 49%. And it all makes money for government people.

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I feel like this is just a general response. You didn't actually address anything I said. I don't think I mentioned anything about the US being a democracy. I probably agree with you for the most part. I think it's a good thing that many states are decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana. It's ridiculous that so many people are in jail for marijuana related charges. At the same times, for some reason, it's fine to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. I'm pretty sure both those things are more dangerous than marijuana. Canada is also legalizing marijuana. This will probably be like gay marriage. It was illegal everywhere and now it will quickly spread across the world.

My general response addresses the core of the whole problem. What is that problem? The problem is some people trying to rule over the freedom of other people.

In order for government to regulate things for our benefit, we first have to see if there is a benefit, and what it is. The underlying benefit in everything is freedom. Freedom means to let you do what you want as long as you don't harm others, or directly threaten them.

Government ruling over the freedom of people to use drugs in their lives as they like, is simply government people finding ways to make money off other people, and sometimes each other. This is exactly what is happening with the drug war. Get rid of drug laws, and the stupid drug war will go away, and government people won't be making those tremendous amounts of money off it any more. They will have to go out and get a real job, just to live.

If somebody injures some other person while under the influence, make him pay with such a severe sentence that all who hear about it will be careful to regulate their own drug use properly. All the laws and drug wars that exist don't stop people from doing injury to others. Rather, when they do injury, make them pay. This way innocent people will remain free to do what they like.

Now, I know that you are probably in favor of drug freedom. But you are giving me the opportunity to show what the problem is all about. And this is the problem: That people in government are trying to take freedom away from other people for profit.

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