Quote from: BADecker on August 09, 2018, 01:44:51 PM

Quote from: wolf_norris on August 09, 2018, 11:51:46 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on August 08, 2018, 06:19:56 PM

The U.S. has plenty of gun control and these problems are at a tolerable level and most of them dropping. Those which are not dropping will only get worse as citizens are dis-armed.

What is a tolerable level of gun crime, accidental gun deaths, gun suicides, and police shootings? That seems like a ridiculous statement. How much gun violence is okay in your mind? Is it tolerable until your kid accidentally shoots your wife? Is it tolerable until the cops start shooting at you? Where can you draw the line? I don't think any of those statistics should be tolerable. Everything should be done to get them as close to 0 as possible.

All your questions are things that gun control by government promotes. The difference is that government controls it all rather than everyday people controlling.

If you want to live free, you have to stand up and take responsibility for how you live. You control your guns with your kids all the time. You train your kids how to be responsible for their actions. You don't leave your guns lying around so your kids can get them without proper overseeing.

Gun control by government is simply all the crimes being done by government because government has the strength if they have the gun control.

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Well, I don't see how you can control whether the cops shoot you or not. Cops shooting innocent people is a part of the gun culture. Any slight movement can be interpreted as somebody going for a gun. How about just gun violence in general? You think that it's okay if people just rob you at gun point a little bit? So that it's tolerable?

Quote from: tvbcof on August 09, 2018, 05:58:17 PM

I personally know of no-one who has accidentally shot their wife or husband. I do know of situations where a person has accidentally hit their wife on the head with a sledge hammer driving fence posts. Fortunately it did not severely injure her. I know of a situation where a person ran over his wife while trying to jump-start an automobile. Unfortunately this did result in a fatality.

Being alive and actually doing things in the real world is a risky thing (but some weirdos actually enjoy it...go figure.) Sitting on the couch an watching TV all day helps...until you reach about age 50 then it still helps, but mostly it helps the medical/industrial complex.

A skilled engineer will almost never try to get to 'zero.' We know the trade-offs which occur most of the time, and we balance these in a coherent manner. A starry-eyed utopian dreamer will always shoot for zero. More commonly so will a brainwashed retard who listens to their bullshit. Or more often they are listen to a cold and calculating engineer who is spinning yards of utopian bullshit for the masses but who has an entirely different agenda in mind.

I guess to some extent your answer goes right along with what I'm saying. Do people accidentally shoot themselves or their loved ones? Absolutely, and this obviously happens more where there are more guns. You don't know anybody that this has happened to and, therefore, it's tolerable to you. I think it would be a different conversation if you were one of the "tolerable" statistics.

I agree that life is risky, of course. I realize that we will never get to "zero", but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't aim for it. You think it's better to aim for 1 murder per year? Per day? Maybe 10 murders a month? Is that a good goal? Of course you want to stop all of them, even if you know you won't be able to.