Quote from: Mometaskers on August 13, 2018, 05:05:32 PM

While it sounds nice getting "free" money especially if you're not making much, could this still lead back to the same problems of dependency? You get the same amount of money whether you work or not anyway.

People might be motivated to better themselves if actual welfare is cut off but should these people fail to save up and end up in emergencies, it's likely the other taxpayers would still have to break their fall.

If we ever get to using UBI I hope it's some sort of blockchain system where every detail of expenses are tracked and the gov't can block certain purchases or impose limits or outright cut off the money if it's being wasted.

Quote from: Spendulus on August 06, 2018, 01:52:59 AM

This is incompatible with lax or unrestricted immigration of course. I know you restricted it to US citizens, just saying.

Cutting out welfare might probably cut down on illegal immigration more than any wall, me thinks. I mean, look at those men with multiple wives migrating to Europe and living off welfare they are getting through the children and not working. Many of those were already in there before the rise of ISIS.

Quote from: Spendulus on August 06, 2018, 01:52:59 AM

But a fundamental rule of government is that no programs are allowed to be considered which are not capable of supporting graft, corruption and political favoritism.

Unfortunately. That's how the system perpetuate itself. Sure there are honest politicians but many would definitely try to take advantage, especially since they are the ones who write the laws and implement them.

A couple points that people neglect or ignore that are important to this issue:
1. The banking system is a legal world Ponzi;
2. A person is any document that reflects a human being or some other person.

The government set up the banking Ponzi back in 1913. All Ponzi's need an influx of people/persons to remain "alive." So far corporations (persons) and world people (persons) are the things that are keeping the Federal Reserve banking Ponzi alive. But we are running out of people. If suddenly there is a national required UBI, there will suddenly be a whole lot of persons that will be receiving additional funds, while inflation can grow, again, to scoop up more of the property of the world. These persons are the things that are keeping the banking Ponzi alive.

What is a person? It is paperwork with your name on it. Your driver's license might identify you, but it is a person. Your phone bill name is a person. Your electric bill name is a person. The name on each of your bank accounts might identify you, but they are not you. They are persons.

How can you tell? Get out your electric bill agreement that you signed up for electricity with. It has your name and address on it. But it is not you. Get your kitchen butcher knife out, and stab it. It doesn't bleed like you would if you were stabbed the same way.

UBI will give the government and banking system more breathing room by creating a whole new bunch of legitimate persons. And that is what they need to keep a Ponzi alive. We barely understand what is going on... while they take up ownership of the world.

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