Quote from: IvanHarrin on September 22, 2018, 01:10:39 PM

Quote from: esmanthra on September 22, 2018, 12:41:48 PM

Quote from: kreims on September 22, 2018, 10:45:07 AM

А если сделать например что мерит сорсы и модераторы могли бы забирать мерит за мусорные посты

Модераторам только за меритами следить и не хватало. У них совсем другие задачи - и там работы невпроворот.
Что касается меритсорсов, то мне тоже приходила в голову подобная мысль. Однако, это уже реальная власть - да еще основанная на персональном понимании такого расплывчатого понятия, как "полезный пост". Может получиться "траст в квадрате", поскольку "красный" траст - это еще только "подпорченное" доверие, но де-мерит уже напрямую сказывается на рангах (т.е. власть получается даже большей, чем в случае с трастом). Это довольно опасно.

Может в таком случае поможет голосование? Можно еще предварительно сделать поэтапную фильтрацию, выбирать кандитатов на де-мерит.

ИМХО это ~~бред~~ не самая лучшая идея. Какой в этом смысл? Если мерит отдан "незаслуженно" - так его все равно найдут и покрасят и отправителя и получателя. А заморачиваться с демеритом - задайте себе простой вопрос: зачем это администрации форума? Вы думаете Теймоса сильно заботит что кто то незаслуженно получил несколько мерита и он из за этого будет вносить изменения в движок форума? Чего ради? Там висит 100500 нерешенных задач начиная от назначения дополнительных модераторов и админов и заканчивая переездом на новый форум. Если интересно вот полный список на английском:

Quote from: theymos on August 21, 2018, 12:18:08 AM

None of these ideas are new to me. Even if I don't respond to suggestions, I do read them, and they float around in my mind going forward. If it's not already done, then there's some reason why. A big possible reason is that I'm the only person who does development on the current code, and my time is limited. Another big reason is that this is a huge forum with complex dynamics, and even small policy changes can have big effects which need to be thought through very carefully.

An example: a bump button sounds good as a fix for certain very visible problems, but it also codifies a broken system. People would use bots to bump all of their threads constantly, giving "industrial" posters a huge advantage over casual posters. A captcha could maybe help a little, but there are services where you can pay a tiny fee to have captchas solved for you. (Which opens another question: maybe a comparatively tiny fee should be allowed as an alternative to having you solve a captcha.) A better solution would be to replace the concept of traditional bumping with something quite different, with different bumping models for different types of sections. But that requires further thought. If implementing a bump button was free, perhaps it'd be worthwhile to at least do it for now and fix a few minor problems with bumping today. But since it's a clearly-imperfect solution, this isn't even on my miles-long to-do list.

I'm not going to respond here in detail to all of these ideas. It'd be extremely long. I will classify them as OK/maybe/no:

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A newbie welcome message or link to a welcome thread upon sign-up explaining the basic rules and links to everything they need to know including the full forum rules, helpful guides and FAQs etc. No excuses for not knowing the rules then.
Dedicated sub board mods for most boards that don't have any mods or non-global mods already assigned (Bitcoin Discussion, Beginners & Help, Off Topic etc).
More patrollers/mods who just handle sig spam or farmers.
Restoring the memberlist search and stats (very useful for finding huge farming abuses).
Enforce the sig campaign guidelines. If a campaign is spotted that is doing little to nothing and is abused en mass by spammers, farmers, bots and copy and pasters they are warned. If nothing changes then they are punished with such things as bans, threads trashed, signatures blacklisted site-wide etc.
A 'bump button' for the marketplace that only allows you to bump your thread once every 24 hours. Manually bumping by posting will then be disallowed. As mentioned above, posts by lower ranked accounts could not be able to bump threads thus curbing potential abuse.
A report queue for reported messages. Currently every global and admin are spammed by any reported message and half of the time when you go to handle it it has already been handled, thus wasting everybody's time.
More admins or demi-admins added to help with account recoveries and other admin duties.
A captcha added to a user's first post or two/three etc to curb bot usage (purchasing a Copper Membership could remove these).
Require email verification for new accounts.
Require email verification first before passwords/emails are changed.
A Beginners and Help board for the Alt Coin section (the bitcoin one is mostly swamped with alt coin and bounty-related issues).
Add badges as a reward for high reporters and/or merited users (some perks would also be nice). Maybe we could have a 'most merited' user of the month badge. Prizes or awards could be given at the end of the month/year for the biggest rats/grasses/ass-kissers merited users or reporters.
More options for self-moderated threads (being able to limit participation to certain ranks ie no Newbies or Juniors etc or banning certain users from being able to post in your thread at all to stop trolls and personal attacks etc).
Signature bans. Bans that remove the signature for x amount of time or even permanently (actually proposed by theymos but never followed up on). Being able to blacklist an entire campaign's signature would also be helpful for those campaigns that refuse to do anything about spam.
Certain sub boards shouldn't count to post count or activity (Bounties, Games & Rounds and possibly Off Topic).
Awarding merit doesn't take you to a new page. Clicking the merit button multiple times could pump up the merit one by one. This would make awarding merit much swifter and less annoying.

OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation. Many of these things are more complex than they look at first glance.

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Charging ICOs a fee to make their ANN here. You could even get rid of the ANN board completely and give them their own sub once they've paid the fee. If there's no Ann board then there will probably be no paid bumping because it will be useless, but let them spam away in their own slum and squalor.
A dedicated Marketplace for the Alt Coin board that would be used for currency sales/exchanges and advertising/requesting services etc (the current one has no description and is being used as catch all for anything and everyting and not what it was intended for).
Requiring manually whitelisting of all new accounts before they can post. All new users will essentially be shadowbanned until they've been verified by a mod. This will eliminate 99% of bots and spammers before they even start. Spam threads can be trashed on sight before they even become spam megathreads.
Press board locked/archived as it's served its purpose
Some local boards have Press and Off topic subs. They should be removed as they're hotbeds for account farmers/spammers and are not necessary here.
Warnings in red displayed to lower ranked users when they go to post alerting them to the most commonly ignored/broken rules.
A sub board for highly merited users to encourage constructive topics only by users who have proven their worth here over time (or make the Ivory Tower merit requirement much higher [OMG ITS LIKE SOVIET RUSSIA GULAG]).

Maybe.

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A publicly displayed 'banned' rank under a person's username for permabanned accounts (people are wasting both theirs and staffs time reporting already banned users and bots).
Implementing a redirect notice/landing page for when users click an external link urging them to double check the url for phishing and possibly warning them of the dangers of buying things from autobuy links and that they should likely use a trusted escrow etc).
Require at least one merit to become a Junior Member (bots will never rise past Newbie status then and can be nuked once spotted).
More donator ranks such as Silver and Gold Member that come with additional perks such as avatars and Full/Hero member-sized signatures etc (which will severely curb account farming and sales). You could also even have an expensive premium 'Platinum' rank (bling bling) that comes with further benefits (for example: image banner in signature, animated gif avatar, custom title, ability to change username etc).
Remove signatures completely from everyone (or everyone only has a basic signature) and to get one you either need a very high amount of activity & merit or:
B) Buy them via new donator ranks (theymos did initially comment: "This may be a good idea. Though I do think that people who don't pay should be able to get a small signature." [though Newbie signatures have been removed completely since this comment was made]).
Posts from lower ranked accounts don't bump ICO threads to the top (which would then render paid bump spam useless).
Two report buttons/queues: one for sig spam and low quality posts and one everything else that is more urgent (hundreds of reports on spam posts are currently burying more important reports).
A new member rank after Legendary as it is becoming far too common now and will only become more so as time passes. I would suggest fixing Legendary at 960 activity and the new rank is double that at 1920. You could also make the merit requirement very high for this rank so it's only for the crème de la crème of users [OMG NAZI RANK ITS LIKE THE RICH KEEP GETTING RICHER].
Additional perks for Legendary accounts or a higher rank if added (for example: custom title, image banner in signature, clickable link in personal text, access to exclusive sub board etc).
A captcha added to deleting a post.
Disallowing lower ranks from posting in Off Topic (this is bitcoin forum, why would they head to that board straight away other than to easily farm their accounts (alternatively, posts not counting towards postcount or activity there would also work).
If a post is removed then so is any merit awarded (I think some users are deleting posts to hide evidence of abuse).
More advertisement slots. This forum is badly under-monetised in my opinion and we likely lose hundreds of thousands in lost revenue to signatures and lack of ad slots and visibility.

No. Or not yet. Or the idea would need to be significantly modified.

Насколько я вижу демерита нет даже в отдаленной перспективе Wink

Quote from: AsAlik on September 22, 2018, 01:46:27 PM

Вот этот пост зря конечно написали. Это подсказка фермерам. Но уже поздно.
Когда только начал читать тему про введение мерита, сразу "вычислил" способ перелива мерита без палева.
Льешь мерит своему из фермы,разумное количество, чтобы никто из имеющих доступ к удаленным постам не заинтересовался. Пост сразу удаляется, а акк с профитом(меритом). Или копипаста охренительного качества, и мерита наливается побольше, и так же пост в никуда. А мерит остался,в данном случае за раз и до мембера прокачка.Вряд ли имеющие доступ к удаленным постам,знают все статьи о крипте. Даже бегло посмотрел - да,классно, мерит заслуженный.
Здесь мне видится такой выход:
1. Пост,оцененный меритом, не может быть удален,допустим, 10 дней. Карантин.
2. Этот пост,получивший мерит, у всех форумчан не на белом фоне, как все посты, а допустим на розовом/желтом/в крапинку/любом отличном от основного. Те же 10 дней карантин.
Если пост действительно стоящий, то после карантина блок на удаление и цвет аннулируются, все норм.
А если мерит налили за "классный проект", тогда уже разбор с модераторами.
Не знаю конечно, технически это возможно или нет.
ИМХО.
А так единичные случаи перелива не отследишь, по 1 мериту, для начала.

Этот способ давно известен не только фермерам, но и админам и его то как раз обещали пофиксить:

Quote from: Vod on August 14, 2018, 01:16:56 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on August 14, 2018, 10:48:33 AM

If a post is removed then so is any merit awarded (I think some users are deleting posts to hide evidence of abuse).

You can't hide evidence by deleting posts.

We still know who you sent it to and how many you sent - we just don't know the content of the post.

Example: https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=PavelRostov
It says "Deleted Post" for each post that has been removed.

Quote from: hilariousandco on August 14, 2018, 01:55:48 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 14, 2018, 01:31:49 PM

Easily fixed. I can start recording the content of merited posts as soon as they are mertted. I can display that content if the post is deleted.
Thoughts?

Sure, if you can. I think it would help a lot.