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Quote from: criptix on August 14, 2018, 08:40:18 PM

You know what the U stands for in UBI?

Unconditional

"Universal" actually.

True story - even though google finds Uncoditional Basic Income too, because one of the basic principles of universal basic income is unconditionality.

Regarding myself i was translating it from german where it is called "Bedingungsloses Grundeinkommen (BGE)" (engl. universal basic income) and "Bedingungslos" means unconditional in english.

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Quote from: criptix on August 14, 2018, 08:40:18 PM

Anyway if i was the world leader i would just remove welfare completely and sent all the shitters to mexico, africa or some other shit 3rd world country where they die after a while.

Population is too big anyway.

Better let 500 million people live as gods then 7 billion people like beggars.

That western 6 year old mentality of everyone deserves love, peace and money is retarded.

It already pretty much works that way. The majority of world's population live in shit (and refuse to die contrary to your expectations) compared to the top 500 million so that doesn't solve anything.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on August 16, 2018, 02:15:39 AM

*Already corrected*

Anyway if i was the world leader i would just remove welfare completely and sent all the shitters to mexico, africa or some other shit 3rd world country where they die after a while.
Population is too big anyway.
Better let 500 million people live as gods then 7 billion people like beggars.
That western 6 year old mentality of everyone deserves love, peace and money is retarded.

I'm waiting for you to announce the annual competition where all these people you feel don't have the right to exist in your utopia, can compete for enough food to scrape by.
I wonder would you even say "May the odds be ever in your favor"

Let the Hunger Games begin Cool

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So of these 500 million gods who is going to be performing manual labor roles, fixing roads, or clearing the sewers? Not the gods surely!!! Oh wait you'll have a hardy group that have survived their death sentance to bestow a "lifetime of servitude upon". Sounds great Roll Eyes

You see, if we wouldnt need to spend trillions on garbage every year we would have AI supported Robots everywhere that would do everything.

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In case you only look forward and do not consider history as an indication of human behavior, this generally leads to the "peasant" or "undesirables" giving their lives the same value you do while hoards of them give that life to drag the "gods" into the streets and ......

Ah history - you know what i think mostly of that?

New day, same shit.

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Edit: Whoever doesnt agree is 100% on welfare

Wow, I wonder where my check is... must be a huge amount of backpay, here checky, checky, checky.

I knew it!

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Edit2: @theymos Only stupid people have soul-sucking 9-5 jobs which doesnt earn them enough.
Its no wonder anyway because half of the population has an iq less then 90.

Good paid manual labor is mostly done by robot nowadays.

Or they do what they can in a system they do not feel they can advance in, while still wanting to provide for themselves or their family. Would you rather they quit and seek welfare? Some of those people do find a drive or see an opportunity and find a way to be happy working a 9-5 or some variation. I was about to say these are not the individuals we are here to discuss, but imagine what a UBI could do for them, pretty much( insert all benefits previously stated)

I have worked around these robots, they are great because usually you need to employ 2 people for each of them to be able to provide mechanical repairs or technical troubleshooting.

(Depends on the robots and industry - i dont think we need to go into detail here but in general you can say robots are more efficient and less expensive then humans (where they are used and will be used in the future), else nobody would use robots.)

Or we just deport them to mexico and africa!

Roll Eyes