Quote from: BADecker on August 16, 2018, 12:38:40 AM

Quote from: Astargath on August 15, 2018, 06:25:40 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 15, 2018, 05:42:44 PM

Quote from: Astargath on August 15, 2018, 05:10:44 PM

''One of the important things that will need to be found to prove evolution is, two living creatures that are almost exactly the same, one of which has a mutation within it, to make it slightly better than the other one''

''Researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory have discovered the mechanism by which an extremely rare protein mutation shields people from cardiovascular disease''

They discovered that some Humans have a mechanism that shields them from cardiovascular disease thanks to a protein mutation

Pack it up boys, we proved evolution to badecker! At least ''one important thing'' that he thought didn't exist. We won!

What they haven't proven - even if this is the absolute, straight-forward truth - is that the mutations involved have anything to do with evolution rather than adaptation. Adaptation exists all over the place. But evolution has not been proven, yet.

However, I thank you for showing us all that you agree that I am an authority on evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I don't think you even understand what adaption is. You can call a mutation adaption if you want but in the end as the ''mutation or adaption'' is passed down from one generation to the next. As more and more organisms inherit the mutation, the mutation becomes a typical part of the species, what you might call EVOLUTION!! HURRAY!

Then you have speciation, which is a very wide term but this video might help you: it's good even for kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmtIofdeUbc&feature=youtu.be

I don't think you really know what adaption is. Adaption has to do with social changes, and how people, particularly children, learn to integrate changing customs/traditions into their social lives.

Adaptation has to do with natural selection, which nobody knows the underlying workings of... how cause and effect program change into something at a level and complexity we can't comprehend.

Scientists are kinda smart. But they seem to be unwilling to accept that, if evolution exists, the selections made by nature are infinitely smarter than they are. After all, we see nature making complex life and reproduction in ways we can only dream of, because we can't do it at all. This means that we don't really understand what natural selection is, but only that it exists and produces certain kinds of things/results.

Since we don't really know how natural selection works or what it is made up of, we can't really understand that there is any evolution for-a-fact.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Well I just gave you an example of what you asked for and you are still not convinced, pretty much like when notbatman asks for something, I deliver and then he says, nope, that's not enough.

''we see nature making complex life and reproduction in ways we can only dream of, because we can't do it at all.'' Nature isn't ''smarter'' than us, complexity arrives from simple rules, we know that. Just because it takes a lot of time, it doesn't mean we can't do it. Humans have been creating things that are more complex than themselves for decades now, a computer for instance. As always it depends on your definition of complexity but natural selection is pretty easy to understand, I don't know what you mean.

So what is evolution then, in your head? You don't accept evolution as:

Speciation: Gave you examples of that, you still think that's not evolution, somehow.

Beneficial mutations that can be passed through generations: You still don't think that's evolution either

Do you mind explaining to us what you think evolution is then? So we can give you an example and end this debate? Or are you going to ignore the evidence like you always do again?