Quote from: BADecker on August 20, 2018, 11:26:10 PM

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''had to do with some changes in nature'' Are you talking about evolution? Your <70 IQ is showing again. Evolution refers to change, and in particular in our gene-centered age, change due to changes in genes. Mutation changes DNA sequence, and if that change is transmitted to the next generation, the populations gene pool, its set of genotype variants, has changedit has evolved. I already gave you plenty of examples of this, the lizard speciation example for instance clearly fits the definition of evolution.

Evolution can't be change, because evolution doesn't exist. Evolution isn't anything.

Change is cause and effect programming. Mutation is simply change via C&E programming.

You don't need me to give you any C&E examples, because you and all people - especially the scientists among us - use C&E everyday. But like your inability to give us any proof for evolution, you don't have even one proof for pure random (opposite of C&E). Yet, C&E, adaptation, and like-begets-like abound all over the place in quantities too numerous for us to be able to count.

Evolution is a hoax, and its perpetrators are destroyers of knowledge.

Cool

Hmm, we all know evolution exists

How do you figure that cause and effect eliminates the possibility of Evolution? Sounds like you think they are mutual exclusive?
Everything is cause and effect; there is always, in everything, a cause that gives an effect. While in science, fabrication / engineering you use causal systems and experiments, its either a closed system or you only see the effects that materialize. In other areas its purely a philosophic subject, because here you wonder also about the things that could have materialized, but did not.

Nothing excludes evolution in neither science or in philosophy, cause and effect.

There is no such thing as cause and effect programming in Evolution. Cause and effect, yes, programming, no. Evolution works in the biggest system we know, the universe, with no option to step outside the system to observe. The observer is himself part of the experiment. There is absolutely no way to run the experiment without either contributing to the cause, or being an effect. An Engineer conducting an experiment does it from the outside, observing in. He is able to add or remove items in order to observe cause and effect. He is not himself part of the experiment.

None of us knows that evolution theory evolution (ETE) exists.

Cause and effect eliminates random. Every cause causes an effect exactly according to the way the cause affects the effect. Nothing random. Yet, random is a requirement for ETE. Google "random mutations evolution."

If the cause didn't produce the exact effect that was caused, fabrication and engineering wouldn't work. The only difference in nature is that the causes and effects are many, and are tiny enough that we can't track them. But physics is exact. It controls everything so that the cause always causes the exact effect required by the way the cause acts. There is no room for random as ETE suggests.

Since this is the way the whole universe works, there is no ETE evolution. There might be simple change, or there might be adaptation, and you can call both of these evolution to some extent, but they are not ETE.

An engineer conducting an experiment is the cause, and often uses many causes to obtain the effects he is looking for. If things were random as ETE calls for, the engineer could never know if he would ever get the desired results/effects.

Standard scientists know this. They know that ETE is impossible, despite what they say. Because of this...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

''Every cause causes an effect exactly according to the way the cause affects the effect. Nothing random.'' Radioactive decay disagrees with you. Although this whole concept is still extremely complex, scientists simply don't know whether everything is random or not. As we currently understand it, quantum randomness is true and absolute randomness, said theoretical physicist York Dobyns in an email to the Epoch Times. Nothing in the universe can predict quantum outcomes except at a statistical level.

Going back to Evolution. Someone once started to think about animals and how they came to be, he eventually realized that through adaption, change, mutations they eventually are able to pass that onto the next generation and called it evolution. Simply defined: ''Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.''

The change can happen through adaption or mutation, it doesn't matter, what matters is that it's passed to next generations. For instance the lizards I talked about ''Each time lizards colonized an island, they evolved into many of the same forms. On each island, some lizards adapted to living high in trees, evolving pads on their feet for gripping surfaces, along with long legs and a stocky body. Other lizards adapted to life among the thin branches lower down on the trees, evolving short legs that help them hug their narrow perches. ''

Because they were able to pass those characteristics/changes/adaptions to next generations, they evolved because that's the definition of evolution. Check mate.