Quote from: dmwardjr on August 22, 2018, 08:50:12 AM

With GPU's, one can get involved by mining with a GPU they already have in a desktop; a cheap used one off ebay; from an old desktop collecting dust in the storage room. You name it and people can find a way to get involved cheaply with mining WITHOUT ASIC's. It would draw more people because they would actually be able to AFFORD to get involved. THEN [Through experience] they begin to understand crypto more; the project more and spread the word even more.

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This is a utopian ideal, that doesn't work in the real world. As long as there is an incentive to mine, people will find faster and better ways to do so. The whole point to POW was to present an incentive for people to participate and secure the *decentralized* network that supports bitcoin.

How many people in the world have the ability or knowledge to mine with a GPU they might already have? Maybe a few million. How many people even have access to a GPU to get even started? Very few. So... let's not act like it's some egalitarian ideal to only allow GPUs to mine a coin.

If you wanted your true utopia, you would only allow mining on RISC CPUs like the kind you would find in a mobile phone. A mobile phone is a lot more accessible than a full-on desktop computer with a powerful enough GPU to make more than a few pennies a week.

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Bottom Line:

ASIC's have slowed down the growth and adoption of Bitcoin. Just as it will slow down the growth and adoption of any other Proof of Work coin that opens its arms to ASIC's.

ASICs don't use or adopt bitcoin. People do.

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The developers/supporters of Monero understand and know this FACT and have resolved to fight against ASIC's.

Again, this is not fact... it was the opinion of the Monero developers. How has that parameter change worked out for the value or usability of Monero?

Where can I spend my Monero-bucks?

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ZEN should do the same. ZEN has a LOT of potential and I don't want to see it led astray by BIG ASIC players with money. Cause if they are led astray and open their arms to ASIC's, then the hell with ZEN and any other coin that does the same. I will only support coins that will support a LARGE community of COMMON folk rather than a small community of BIG players with money.

Remember, crypto should be about the SMALL folk; the unbanked; the other 6 billion in the world who have been forgotten.

THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS OF PEOPLE; NOT IN THE DAMN HASH RATE OF AN INDIVIDUAL AND/OR COMPANY OF ASIC's.

YOU WANT PEOPLE AND A LOT OF THEM? THEN GET RID OF ASIC's AND ALLOW MORE TO GET INVOLVED AFFORDABLY WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A LOAN FOR AN ASIC OR HAVING TO BEG THEIR GOVERNMENT TO ALLOW ASIC's; WHILE COMPETING AGAINST THE MANUFACTURER THE ENTIRE TIME.

It's early yet. People have barely heard of "bitcoin"... and you expect them to know about some altcoin called Zencash? Then you want these 6 billion people to be able to mine when they have no access to a computer... let alone a GPU?

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If ZEN developers and founders want us to catch the crumbs (10%) from the BIG table by making us COMMON folk divide up those crumbs (10%) from running secure nodes, while offering BIG players a seat at the BIG table with their BIG money to make the BIG bucks (70%) mining with ASIC's and push out the SMALL/FORGOTTEN ones (the other 6 billion) to compete over crumbs (10%) with secure nodes; then they can keep their damn coin. I want know part of it! I'll support a coin who actually gives a damn about us COMMON folk and the other 6 billion unbanked people in the world.

I have no problem with people making money. What I have a problem with is fixing the game to make it hard for the small guy to make a decent amount of money and try to get ahead. I have a problem with fixing the game to make the rich richer by squeezing out MEANINGFUL opportunities for the not so fortunate folk.

I'm not asking for a damn handout either! I don't want a hand out. I simply want us all to have the same equal opportunity. That cannot occur with ASIC's. Mainly because of the manufacturers who make them and mine with them; the prices they charge everyone else for them and the governments who ban them.

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Your heart is in the right place, but I think you have some ulterior motives... like protecting your investment in GPUs. That's just my opinion on why you are getting so worked up here.

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ZEN has a damn good opportunity here to tell the entire GPU community, "We have your back and agree with your ambition for decentralized mining and growing the community." I only hope they don't muck it up this opportunity. The longer they wait to do something about ASIC's/FPGA's, the more they are hurting GPU miners while assisting ASIC manufacturers.

In what way would trying to ban ASICs help GPU miners? Increase their profits? Hmmm... I think I see the true motivations here.