Quote from: twthmoses on August 22, 2018, 10:07:01 AM

Quote from: BADecker on August 20, 2018, 11:26:10 PM

None of us knows that evolution theory evolution (ETE) exists.

Cause and effect eliminates random. Every cause causes an effect exactly according to the way the cause affects the effect. Nothing random. Yet, random is a requirement for ETE. Google "random mutations evolution."

If the cause didn't produce the exact effect that was caused, fabrication and engineering wouldn't work. The only difference in nature is that the causes and effects are many, and are tiny enough that we can't track them. But physics is exact. It controls everything so that the cause always causes the exact effect required by the way the cause acts. There is no room for random as ETE suggests.

Since this is the way the whole universe works, there is no ETE evolution. There might be simple change, or there might be adaptation, and you can call both of these evolution to some extent, but they are not ETE.

An engineer conducting an experiment is the cause, and often uses many causes to obtain the effects he is looking for. If things were random as ETE calls for, the engineer could never know if he would ever get the desired results/effects.

Standard scientists know this. They know that ETE is impossible, despite what they say. Because of this...

Evolution is a hoax.

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Cause and effect does not eliminate randomness, not at all! In order to eliminate randomness you have to have the exact same causes, under the exact same circumstances, the exact same environment, working on the exact same items, in exactly the same order and timeframe, etc. But that is not what goes on in evolution, not at all!

Why do two parents produce different children? Because not everything is exactly the same, the second time around. Billion small things are different, timeframe, order, environment, circumstances etc.. both external and internal.

Even if you could somehow make all those billion small things exactly the same, there is one thing you cant make the same time. Time has gone by, it itself is a change in condition (not to talk about the environment), thus causes are not the same anymore = different outcome. As far as I know time travel is not yet invented, at least it was not for 99, 999999% of evolution timeframe.

And we all do know evolution is a fact - just not all acknowledge it

Why would you think that I think C&E eliminates randomness? We have billions or trillions of examples of C&E, but none whatsoever of pure random. They don't necessarily eliminate each other. It all revolves around what exists. How can you eliminate something that you can't find, i.e., random? It isn't there to eliminate?

If "you have to have the exact same causes, under the exact same circumstances," all you have is the exact same physics working with the exact same C&E. Nothing goes on in evolution, because evolution only exists in the minds of people who think it exists. We have no example of evolution in nature. All examples of evolution in nature are examples of adaptation or like-begets-like. How do we know? Because adaptation or like-begets-like fits the examples better than the evolution fiction. How do we know this? Because evolution says "randomness" in part, but C&E in as many things that we understand C&E in, without finding even one proven instance of pure random, shows that random doesn't exist probability-wise.

No random means no evolution, because evolution theory says that there have to be random mutations. All mutations are C&E actions.

What this all means is that C&E continues to work with physics laws to make large of varieties of "things" by the programming that C&E is. Or can you show us one proof of something that came about by random without being the effect of one or more causes?

Further, all the scientists know that C&E works in everything. How do we know that they know this? Because that's all they do in their observation or experimentation. Even a scientist who looks for pure random does it by using all kinds of C&E to find it. In fact, the scientist, himself/herself, is totally made of C&E.

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