Quote from: eid on January 12, 2014, 12:30:21 AM

Wow this again so soon. And we only just finished with the last thread.

Before I address any point here, I'd like to let everyone know that I'm a moderator on the emunie forums. About a month ago we had a guy join called Cossakman. Cossakman likes to think he's in the know, so he made loads of posts, so full of misinformation presented as facts, that I had to give him a gentle warning to be more careful as it was confusing our new forum members at a time when they are trying to understand what they are investing in.

Cossakman has changed his name twice on our forums since, and is now known as Maet. Thankfully he doesn't post much anymore.

A few days after I gave him the warning, someone posted a thread on BTT claiming "an anonymous source" had given him information proving emunie was a big scam. So much good information was then posted on this thread that the original poster withdrew the claim about emunie, deleted any reference to emunie from his OP, and sent messages to all the posters apologising for being taken in by this spreader of lies (his source).

What Cossack doesn't know, is that the guy gave up his source to us along with everything he had said to him. Yes Cossak, we have copies of it all.

The source was of course our poor friend Cossak who apparently couldn't take being warned by me and decided to spend his hours doing as much damage to emunie as he possibly could. The thread I speak of is here, though the OP has removed the emunie bits, you can find it quoted later in the thread from this post onwards:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402536.msg4377911#msg4377911

If you want to see the character of this guy (now known as Maet) please have a look on our forums where his attitude has always been very different indeed.

Cossak, I say this to you: Perhaps my warning to you was not as diplomatic as I meant it to be. I really thought it was, but I apologise otherwise. You obviously feel wronged and this is how you've reacted to that. Please, do yourself a favour and just walk away and lick your wounds. All this energy youre putting into this is more harmful to you than anyone else.

Quote from: LeoC on January 11, 2014, 09:35:38 PM

   Case 1 - Beta Presales

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1094-emunie-pre-launch-sale-dutch-auction/?p=10514

   Daniel claims to have 600 BTC ($500K to $600K USD) and there is a $8K investment limit. That means they needed 75 to 500 people in the beta test to take part in a beta presale. If you think people would invest into a 'beta', of all things, then I have a bridge in Somalia for sale.
Fuserleer could counter and said that BTC was raised a long time ago but still no one would invest $60K or $120K into a 'beta' - it's all bollocks.

   This leads us to ask serious questions. Who are the 75 to 500 people who invested? What of the other beta testers? Where are these beta testers? They don't seem to be posting or downloading on eMunie's forum. In fact, hundreds of people have been waiting to get into the beta for months. If there were really 75 to 500 people who invested $600K then eMunie would be huge, with articles all over the net and Bitcoin investors would be nervous.

   It would also break records. Mastercoin only raised the equivalent of $450K before November and that was through a huge public presale with articles posted throughout the net. NxT barely attracted any investments (which led to complaints of a monopoly), et al. So who exactly dumped $600K into eMunie?

   http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/files/category/1-emunie-releases/
   (take a note at the number of downloads. I have this page saved in case Fuserleer modifies the numbers).


   Fuserleer may bring up "well I brought the beta testers from elsewhere". Where is elsewhere? The biggest eMunie beta thread on Bitcointalk is only around 32 pages (as per January 9, 2013) and the thread contains people posting multiple times and most people didn't get into that beta.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=220530.0



   Conclusion: Daniel is lying about the beta presales.

   If Daniel is lying about that then what else could he lie about?

Ok. Weve been arguing this point recently in another thread, so I'll give you the quick facts and a couple of links with proof:

The thread Cossak speaks of that is the waiting list for emunie beta testers has 53 pages and 1014 people on it.

Emunie has over 400 people registered as beta-testers, founders and administrators. All of these are able to invest in the sale right now. This is where 600BTC came from.

This is a post I made earlier which proves the above:

Quote from: eid on January 11, 2014, 12:26:07 PM

I made a post on emunie's forum this morning addressing one of the issues in this thread. I'll just paste it here for your information:

There seems to be the idea that there are only a few beta-testers and so how is it that they are able to come up with 600 BTC? I think this idea has been spread by someone intentionally trying to cause FUD. As well as the testers I speak with on a daily basis, there are many given that rank who (as far as I can see) don't participate in the testing at all.

I also wonder, how exactly do you think you know how many testers there are? Where are you getting your information (if not out of thin air, or the misinformation of others)?

This pre-sale for the beta-testers is also for the founders. Do you know how many of those there are? I think if you do some research, you'll realise that 600BTC isn't such an unlikely figure as you imagine.

What you (or anyone who desires the truth) should do now, is go to the top of this board (forum.emunie.com) where you will find a tab named "members". If you go into this tab and click on "More Search Options", you will be able to show members of a certain rank. I encourage you to count how many beta-testers and founders emunie has. All of those have access to this sale, regardless of how much testing, or posting they do.

So, maybe the question you should ask yourself is this: If Cossak is willing to lie about this, what else is he lying about?

He then goes into an attack on Fuserleer's identity, schooling etc. I just ask you to not take in what he is saying as truth, but follow the links and decide for yourself. This guy is not doing this for the betterment of this community so please don't take what he says for granted. Also, ask yourself why it is this supposed master criminal and scammer-extroadinaire uses his real name and never changes his forum nick from one site to another? Honestly?

"No normal person brags about making $1500 by stealing from other people". Funny because I visited the link and that's not what I saw.

I wont go into the rest about scamming and identities as its just more FUD and Dan can clear anything up himself if he wants to.

The rest is just more drivel honestly that's already been dealt with in the thread I linked.

Quote from: LeoC on January 11, 2014, 09:35:38 PM

   Case 3 - the forum is proof eMunie is real! Yay!

   This forum is no proof eMunie is a real thing.

   Case 4 - "but but eMunie is real cuz it was delayed several times"

   That's no proof of anything.

Firstly no one claimed it was proof. Secondly, since when does proof rest on the shoulders of the accused?

Yes we have a website and our launch was delayed. Its a fair cop; lock me up now!

Quote from: LeoC on January 11, 2014, 09:35:38 PM

* * * * * * Four Simple Requests * * * * * * *

Demands at the end of a character assassination, not simple requests. Dont attempt to appear reasonable after all that. Cossak, you do not get to run the show. Not now, not ever.

Quote from: LeoC on January 11, 2014, 09:35:38 PM

As I said - let's not be irrational or act like children

ROFL it's a bit late for that isnt it?? Shocked

The icing on the cake:

"Fuserleer will seen his eMunites / Cult Followers to spam my thread"

Typical underhand tactic used by people who make accusations and want to remove the accused right to defend themselves.

To the OP, if you're not just a sockpuppet, I suggest you ask yourself why you take the word of someone like this and are willing to just post it without doing a little research first. Your credibility is worthless now.

By the way, it really saddens me how many poeple took the OP and his "little birdy" at their word. Try and think for yourselves guys. Please.

Edit: The name Cossak had between this and Maet, was CMC. Here he is trying to get $10,000 from the Nxt crowd to destroy their competition:
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2750.msg27177.html#msg27177

Whether emunie (ain't got a clue as to what the fuck it is) is a scam or not, this is exactly how an accusation should be addressed, whether by a scammer or not, each and every time (within reason) such resurfaces.

Well-played, eid!

~TMIBTCITW