Quote from: Maverickthenoob on January 12, 2014, 05:49:07 AM

Quote from: kuroman on January 12, 2014, 04:59:24 AM

Quote from: hozer on January 12, 2014, 02:27:46 AM

Quote from: strelok369 on January 12, 2014, 02:11:30 AM

Fork?

But most important now is to get community support and not get 2
CATcoins. If Cryptsy delist it, it will be desaster.

What kr105 think about one more fork?

If you implement it only in pool side(not hard fork) it can be that diff on "forked
wersion will be lower than network (how you deal with it?).

If you not going hard fork, there is not need to scare peoples with this thing.
I can do reserch in matlab (P=1-e^-lambda*t, only need to calc lambda from
hashpower and diff(need simple equation) to do research on hashpower stepping
and filtering).

If you gonna hard fork, leave this idea for now, wait comminity reaction.
Hard forks must be organiszed if we have CATcoin alive.

I'm finding community reaction by watching the hashrate. Vote with your hashes. The coin is easily attackable with less than say $150,000 worth of GPU hardware when everyone leaves because difficulty is high, AND p2pool is effectively unusable, leaving you up to the whims of pool operators. Look at http://catcoins.biz/charts/ .. in 18 blocks (20988) jumper(s) will show up, and halfway through (20999) I fork. What happens next is up to you.

I'm not going to call it CATcoin anymore if nobody hashes on my fork, I'm going to learn a little, clean up the code, and launch Kittycoin. But I figured I'd do the CAT community a favor first and tell them exactly what's going on and what I'm planning.

If you are worried about de-listing, don't. Exchanges are also a single centralized choke point, and stuff like https://github.com/PhantomPhreak/counterpartyd will allow fully distributed exchanges, which is why I included it my release. So if an exchange de-lists, then we just make it so we can all do distributed trades with CAT/LTC/BTC/DOGE directly from our catcoin-qt front-ends.

Did I miss something ? I tought we were only discussing, and testing ideas for a possible fork, not a fork in it self and like this, and I refuse that you fork the coin and I'm sure I'm not the only to do so, this is more or less an hostile takeover, and rushing thing out, we need to dicuss things, if anyone passing by decides to fork whatever coin he wants whenever he wants it's going to be a miss, and just kill the coin.

Please reconsider again what you are doing, No fork for now, we can discuss and test ideas, but I don't want to see another rushed one sided fork.

Great. For now, Hozer's fork is an alternative, if people decide this is the direction they want for catcoin, it's not the official fork, and is unlikely to be unless many people reach consensus and join it. Any coin can have this done to it. Unless it's adopted by the masses, it's irrelevant.

How about we reach a consensus on what we're actually going to do and actually execute it. Hozer's fork is not official, and does not represent the board, but it is an alternative. You guys are arguing about a non-issue. Anybody can clone a git repo for any coin and do exactly what hozer is doing, unless it gets major hash rate it's not happening. For now that gives us a valuable test bed, and an opportunity to actually come to a solution as a community and decide what direction we want this coin to go. Currently only etblvu1 has posted alternatives to my knowledge, and frankly short term I'm not sure they're viable, if I see proof to the contrary it may yet get my vote. My 1 block 36 average is still my first choice personally. That choice does not represent the community or board as a whole. What is the best option? What is simple and relatively safe from abuse that solves our current diff issues? I'm looking for more suggestions, or approval of one of the current options. This coin is dead in 10 days if we do nothing, which seems to be the current course of action, because the nethash is dropping with every diff cycle. Lets get a solution adopted and coded, so we can save this coin. We currently have a measly 44 MHash. Our time is ticking, lets get this done.

In theory I would have agreed with the first part of your reply, but it isn't the case.

But let me begin with the last part of your reply which is wrong: The current hash rate is 0.17 Gh/s (not 44Mh/s) which has been stable for the last 10 days during the 36 high diff blocks and before the profitability switching pools join in and for that the coin is more than safe as it has managed to find an equilibrium point. (or maybe I missed your point?)

Now back to the first part, does the fork start at a different diff? probably yes due to the non existant hashrate, which means, that with the new fork having non-existant very low diff it will automatically draw miners to it no one wants to miss a launch and easy mining. (might be wrong here, but please feel free to correct me if I missed something again)

Another things is that at 0.17Gh/s, if just 3 to 5 of the biggest catcoin miners decides to switch camp due to an incetivited offer, it will switch the balance from the new fork, I've talked to people who had rigs of 40Mh/s 50 Mhs and even more, so this is another possible scenario, and this can happen despite the majority wanting to remain with the original coin.

This is why I thin the consensus Idea on it self is flawed, especially in our case, and I believe we should be extra carefull about things because right now what would be deadly to the coin is not taking some time (as proven in the first part of my reply) but doing a mistake such as fracturing the catcoin community.

Good night to all or good day depending on your time zone, it's 7:20 am here and I think it's about time to get a small nap Cheesy