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Is there any possibility for refund for people who paid with credit card???

You are too late to use this option to take refund it is more than 6 months has passed since this ICO was finished. But this is confirmed this is failed project when attractive whitepaper and only marketing made this possible to steal huge money from people.

Quote from: frerejaak on August 16, 2018, 01:14:10 PM

this project is as dead as it can be, i wish I could say it wasn't but we have to face the facts. The founders screwed up too hard and now its broken beyond repair. Sad though, with mining costs going through the roof this project had a ton of potential

"confirmed this is failed project" - please share a few confirmations with us.
"project is as dead as it can be" - please share some facts.

I don't understand what you are doing @Thadeous? Do you try to defend Envion project? Why?

Is obvious that Envion is a scam. There are already court cases ongoing and FINMA started an investigation. If there will be no suspicions that this is a scam then there will be no courts involved and everybody will receive their tokens. Bounty is not paid, price crashed, token delisted from the biggest exchange, full of scammers ( founders, CEO). There is nothing left to defend.

Are you defending them or I get you wrong? Please explain.

It's simple: I hate when people spread false statements without proofs.
Personally I think that Envion is a perspective project and hope that founders will win the final battle and be able to continue developing Envion.

I wanted to hear your opinion about Envion too because I see your comments and you are an Envion supporter.

Do you still believe the Founders? Will you that they run this company further? Are they trustworthy?

They lied to us, changed the contract illegally, sold tokens which were in fasting period closed and there are many more accusations against them.

Founders avoid any comments before FINMA investigation is over and it's obvious why they do.
As for me, I realize that investigation may take months, but I'm still sure that founders team will fight for the project till the very end.

Concerning tokens sold, here is what Laurent says:

"There was a policy not to sell for the founding team tokens.
That policy changed in order to save the company. Those tokens had to be sold when Envion's debts caused an existential crisis. This was done according to consultations with Envion's legal team and in compliance with financial regulations."

From what I understand this is the explanation provided after community finds all about CEO problems and founders sold their tokens which should be closed for a half year.

If this explanation is true why they lie to us for so long?

When we asked about dumped tokens they told us that they don't know who is selling. People provided back then in Telegram group addresses and tx from transactions which shows exactly that these tokens are from founders and sold illegally before fasting period end. They banned this guy and deleted all posts. Now they are coming with new explanations each day.

Where were they in the first 5 months? Why they lied so long?

I just can't believe that you trust them further. Tell me why?

prob a shill.

But its worse then you think apperantly the Founders can see the future because those changes to the contract that enabled them to sell their tokens where made long before the problems started.