Quote from: dmwardjr on September 03, 2018, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: puwaha on September 03, 2018, 09:14:50 AM

Lol... did you actually bother to watch it? All they were doing was sniffing and jamming existing powerline communication protocols like X10 using an arduino. Your computer does not communicate over powerlines using X10, Zigbee, Homeplug, or any other standard powerline communication protocol without an external device connected to it to interpret those signals... a modem.

So, again... you proved my point.

Now, they did touch on a method that has been well known for a long time for penetration testing where you use powerline ethernet devices to get inside your corporate network. But again... you need a powerline modem on the inside... that requires you to get it inside the building... and that is just standard ethernet hacking at that point. You can sniff for traffic, attempt password hacks, known exploits... all standard hacking. None of this supports your claim that by simply plugging your computer to a power line, the NSA can spy on you.

Again, let me remind you. Didn't I say, it's NOT done this way. That it was only to give you a "taste of the possibilities." Read my damn comment, ass hole. Did I not say, that what they were showing was NOT how the government and/or corporations use the power line to record you and/or hack you? I'm quite certain I said that. But NO, you have to go and put words in my mouth like an ignorant ass and claim that's what I intended to convey when I said contrary to your very claim.

So... let me summarize what you've done here:

Make an outlandish claim that the NSA can spy on you with nothing more than you plugging your computer into a power outlet
When called out on that, you spout non-sequiturs about how telephone transmissions work
When asked how is it physically possible for a computer to do that, you claim advanced knowledge of how telephone transmissions work... side-stepping what you were called out on
When asked how is a signal modulated from a computer with no hardware to do so, you ignore the question and keep on insulting claiming that they don't know how anything works
Makes another outlandish claim that pulsed DC is AC... when it's not
Then you move the goal posts and say that Smart Home devices can be hacked, which I agree with
Finally, you try to provide proof that anything you've said was possible... but you say it wasn't meant to be proof

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As for your "claim" of something "must" be done a certain way or "have" a certain thing to do something; your mind is weak and easily manipulated in regards to engineering and stuck inside of a box. I still find it hard to believe you're an engineer.

The laws of physics and electronics are damn stubborn things. There's a saying we have in the circuit design field... "Logic is logic."

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I'm not telling you shit cause you don't know shit. Your lack of knowledge of longitudinal and metallic current proves you don't know what you claim to know. Especially, in regards to "transmission." I actually already told you more than enough for you to figure it out on your own if you actually understood longitudinal current, metallic current and HOW they can be converted. But do they actually have to be converted? Can they not "bleed" over when they "naturally" convert; especially when encountering an unbalance or the transmission of a signal or harmonic is above a certain level (dB)? Hint Hint... LOL... But your head is so damn puffed up you can't get it out of your ass. Besides, your "not an engineer" ass is just too damn ignorant and honestly not worth my time. Cheesy

In other words... you can't explain how it is physically possible for the NSA to spy on your computer by simply plugging it into a power outlet? Got it. Your claims of technical prowess are your own. Feel free to take your ball and go home if that is your choice.

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Others on here can continue to think I'm wearing a tinfoil hat as well. Go ahead, be my guest. The truth is, all of you tin foil hat talkers are too damn ignorant to KNOW how ignorant you actually are. If you don't understand longitudinal and metallic currents and how longitudinal current can convert to metallic current OR be at a hot level and be heard while monitoring metallically; you simply won't understand. It's simply not worth my time and effort to be on here for a couple of days explaining noise mitigation, power influence (longitudinal current) and noise (metallic current). Why are those important? Because you have to understand the power line first before you can understand how it can be used in transmission of data. You have to also understand how those longitudinal and metallic currents (frequencies) can bleed over transformers into devices and from those devices back on the power line through the transformer.

I've actually said enough already. I'll let your so-called electrical engineer ignorant ass figure it out.

Ok... one last time... What device that comes in your standard computer can modulate a signal, send it backwards through a DC current, have that signal survive being transformed back into AC and sent along it's merry way to the NSA?

I'll let your so-called "transmission engineer" self try to figure that out. In the mean time, leave the circuit design, and the understanding of the laws of electromagnetic physics to us "so-called electrical engineers."

The challenge still stands if you want to take a serious crack at it rather than hurling insults.