Quote from: BitWhisk.io on September 05, 2018, 12:29:50 PM

As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level. Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same). The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE). They have the same PGP open key! They have the same design. They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

4) Mixer.money

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

What are your partners? If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

First of all, on behalf of the Jambler.io team I would like to thank you for such a comprehensive comment. I will try to answer all the questions you raise in the post. For your convenience, I will write my answers after a specific question below.

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As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

We are glad that you paid attention to Jambler.io. Indeed, you could integrate your own mixer with our platform and offer your target audience as an option a higher quality service of cryptocurrency anonymization. This is the principle our philosophy is based on - we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.

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But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level.

We do not pretend to sound like a professional or like a greenhorn. We are who we are. At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments.

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Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

This once again proves that Jambler.io is a team of ordinary people;) We know the architecture of cloudflare, and as it was mentioned above, we will refuse to use it in the nearest future. We are grateful to users for their comments which help us to improve the platform.

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A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

It is worth mentioning that this is non-exhaustive list of partners published on https://jambler.io/mix-coins.php . We publish the information only about our partners who asked us to do it.

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These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same).

Everything is simple: they look the same because they are built on the typical partner template which can be downloaded at the account page or on github.

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The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE).

The commission fee is set by the partner in the personal account. 5% is the default value. Nevertheless, our experience shows that end users are ready to pay a higher percentage for quality service and advanced anonymization of their funds.

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They have the same PGP open key!

Indeed, it is the Jambler.io key. The platform generates letters of guarantee for the clients of the partner mixers, and they are all signed up with our PGP key.
There are two reasons for that:
1. We received a simple integration of partners.
2. In case the partner does not conduct business honestly, it can be easily detected, because we are the only to have the private key, not our partners. We are in charge of transactions signed up with our PGP key

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They have the same design.

This can be explained by the fact that all the above-mentioned partner mixers use Jambler.io partner mixer template, which is available for downloading in your personal account. For the moment, we offer only one template for a partner mixer. Our partners can customize the layout of their website as they like or use the API and integrate with the platform.

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They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

All these partner mixers were built up quite recently, and the platform Jambler.io itself is brand-new. We do not promote our partners; it is their area of responsibility.

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4) Mixer.money

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

It is up to you to decide: trust or not. We have never heard of any cases that Mixer.money deceived someone or did not pay the money. If you know opposite examples, we will be grateful for the provision of such information. We (the Jambler.io team) intend to react swiftly to fraudulent actions on the part of partner mixers and take drastic measures to disconnect such partners from the platform.

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What are your partners?

We do not choose partners, we only provide the infrastructure for building up a mixer. To join our partner network you can register on our website, launch a partner mixer using our template, or make your own design. If you want to be listed among our partners on our website, please, reach out to our support team at support@jambler.io. In case we receive complaints, we will remove you from the list and disconnect from the platform. We do not rate our partners, but, as I already wrote, we are particular about our reputation.

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If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

We are neither an aggregator nor a classic mixer. Let me say that we, perhaps, do not fit into any of the existing established definitions of the industry - we bring a new term into use - a 'platform' for bitcoin anonymization.
Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.
2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

Plus, Jambler.io is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

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According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources?

It's pretty easy to check. Enter your personal account on the Jambler.io website, and on the Seller tab send your bitcoins taken not from the stock exchange. In this case the money will not pass scoring and will return to you (there will be a direct link in the blockchain between your input address, our transit address and your output address). You will receive a corresponding notification in the messenger. After that you may try to send money, for example, from binance, and they will successfully pass scoring. Everyone can test and verify the scoring system, we do not make this a secret.
Of course, our algorithm cannot guarantee absolute accuracy, but it is high enough to avoid money of questionable origin entering the system. Honest investors always undergo scoring

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Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

We will be glad to see you among our partners!

P.S. Jambler.io has just started, and so we are now detecting and eliminating bugs and adjusting the platform to the tasks of customers. Thank you for your understanding.