Quote from: C3ALL on January 16, 2014, 09:33:26 AM

Quote from: jdebunt on January 16, 2014, 09:15:19 AM

Quote from: C3ALL on January 16, 2014, 07:47:47 AM

1. Completely open book accounts on the premine. If I had 1 LOT for each time I've said it I'd probably have 25% of the premine.

PAYMENTS MADE TO DATE:
Giveaways 68,000,000
payments to 3rd partys (includes dev support and marketing) 110,000,000
Bounties 40,000,000
Development team 50,000,000 x 3 = 150,000,000
Jdebunt & Sergios articles & press releases = 8,000,000
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total used: 368,000,000

It's right there....

first post

the premine is 2% which is 368 million LOT and it's all accounted for

You call that open book?? Cheesy

Where are the addresses, amounts, dates? You know, basic accounting stuff.

Those figures could be completely made up for all anyone knows. Excel sheet or similar ledger that can be verified by looking at the blockchain is open book accounting.
List of the third parties that total the 110M for example - who, how much and what for.

That is not open book and you know it. There are only two possible reasons why the dev team are not prepared to provide a full ledger including addresses, dates and amounts. Either they have not kept track of this premine properly, which would be totally unprofessional, or the above figures are untrue and hide something which would be viewed negatively.

Again, if the "dev team" and people like Hampuz etc want the coin taken seriously by the mass market, then treat it seriously.

PS. we keep hearing about the "dev team", but only ever know of one person. I have my suspicions that there is only one dev, but has made up another two team members to make the 150M kept for the "dev team" seem more reasonable. Open book, wallet addresses and dates of transactions for where the premine is, or I (and everyone else who has issues with premines) will call BS on it.

I can tell you C3ALL that I would like to know as much as you do, but I think it will be hard for us to get a true open book with dates and accurate numbers. I think those numbers we see here are somewhat correct, and from what the information I have gathered it should be true. And then we can always sit here and debate how much the creator of the coin should get etc, but it will honestly take us nowhere.

I can try and talk with mrlotto, and see if we could setup a proper document of this. But as he has made several hundreds transactions as many of us, it would probably be hard at this point. Or it would take a lot of effort & time.

But I'll do my best and see what i can gather up. Ill keep you all posted on that!

Cheers.