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Children's fairy tales should be in "off topic"

People are willing to die for this "fairy tale" as you call it.

This true story of a persecuted girl really humbled me:

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16 years old, Asia 1970s The Communist soldiers had discovered their illegal bible study. As the Pastor was reading from the bible, men with guns suddenly broke into the home, terrorizing the believers who had gathered to worship. They shouted insults and threatened to kill the Christians. The leading officer pointed his gun at the pastors head. Hand me your bible he demanded. Reluctantly the pastor handed over his bible, his prized possession. With a sneer on his face, the guard threw the bible to the floor. He glared at the small congregation. We will let you go he growled, but first you must spit on this book of lies. Anyone who refuses will be shot. The believers had no choice but to obey the officers order. A soldier pointed his gun at one of the men. You first. The man slowly got up and knelt down by the Bible. Reluctantly, he spat on it, praying, Father, please forgive me. He stood up and walked to the door. The soldiers stood back and allowed him to leave. Okay, you! the soldier said, nudging a woman forward. In tears, she could barely do what he demanded. She spat only a little, but it was enough. She too was allowed to leave. Quietly a young girl came forward. Overcome with love for her Lord, she knelt down and picked up the bible. She wiped off the spit with her dress. What have they done to your Word? Please forgive them, she prayed. The Communist soldier put his pistol to her head and pulled the trigger

If the Bible is not true why would anyone be willing to give their life up because of it!? See: http://www.historymakers.info/inspirational-christians/jesus-freaks.html

You know an analogous situation must have happened with the quran at some point in history. Thus by your own logic making the quran also true. How do you reconcile the fact that both are true at the same time?

I can reconcile that "fact" for you right now.... Followers of the Bible are willing to LOSE their life so they can gain it, however followers of the quran are willing to take lives for their belief. Therefore they go hand in hand and it still proves the Bible true.

You evidently have not read the book you follow!

Allow me to acquaint you with a few of the less well-known verses of that mouldy old tome:

"Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

"Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)"

"Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)"

"Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)"

You were saying............... Huh

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Just aksing.

My $.02.

Wink

I am saying YHWH is kadosh and his commandments are for our benefit not his. You have failed in your quotes to mention the result of the disobedience of the children of Israel for not listening. They fell into the nations idolatrous ways and were brought into Babylon and scattered to the ends of the earth to be slaves to a people in whom they do not know and worship false gods that are not theirs. Until this very day YHWH has been regathering the lost sheep if Israel who love him and his Torah and keep it. You also conveniently forgot the multiple cases where Yahoushua said let he who be without sin cast the first stone, had compassion on the adulterers, ate with the sinners, became our most high priest and the perfect atonement so that anyone including you who chooses to accept him can be forgiven and given the gift of eternal life, the gift non of us deserve (why it's called grace).

What are you even asking? BTW you and Obama can keep your "change" Wink