Quote from: Moloch on September 20, 2018, 12:56:22 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on September 19, 2018, 05:55:02 PM

Quote from: Moloch on September 19, 2018, 10:30:29 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on September 17, 2018, 07:45:03 PM

Quote from: Moloch on September 17, 2018, 11:55:46 AM

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I assume you mean math/science is fact-based not faith-based... math/science is based on facts which you can show to another person... I can show you that 1 + 1 = 2... I can show you how to do an experiment that proves the Earth is spherical... science shows you the evidence, rather than asserting claims without facts or evidence which can be shown to someone (the way religion does it)

Science is based on observations, and the scientific hypothesis.

This is different than "facts."

Math is based on mathematical proofs.

All facts are observations... that's a fact, Jack

Science is based entirely on observations... repeatable, verifiable observations

"If you can't show it, you don't know it" -Aron Ra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
"Scientific facts are verified by repeatable careful observation or measurement"

Actually, you are cherry picking the article in wikipedia to support your rather lame understanding of the matter. The article supports exactly what I said.

In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]

Did you even read what you quoted from wikipedia?

"a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation"

"a fact is an observation" (adjectives removed)

How is this not exactly what I said, and the opposite of what you keep saying?

Scientific Fact = objectively verifiable observation (repeatable experiments, et al)

I don't understand how you keep saying that facts are not observations, when your quote specifically says, "A scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation"

What exactly do you not understand?

You can't even show that 1+1=2, because it doesn't. Why not? Because numbers are abstract.

Does one apple plus one orange equal two fruit? No! Because languages are abstract ideas just like numbers.

One plus one never equals two, because everything is different than everything else... at least by the space that it occupies.

Why do we use 1 + 1 = 2 (math, in other words)? Because we can make things happen that are against nature. And ultimately doing so will destroy us all, and nature right along with us if nature can't destroy us first.

Cool