Quote from: ZeroTheGreat on January 19, 2014, 12:56:17 PM

Quote from: Nullu on January 19, 2014, 12:30:02 PM

I could have said "You have to have people at the bottom if you want people at the top, but it means the same thing. You need one to have the other. It was just the way I phrased it. The top want people to be at the bottom, and the bottom want people to be at the top. It's a symmetry.

For what? It's simplification. Not so smart top-people, ofc, asserting itself against bottom-people, but smart ones don't wanna social voltage at all. Everybody'd be on top, and techrevs step by step taking us there. Today almost everyone can read and have access (less or more easy) to unbelievable database of human knowledge, vast amounts of work have become mechanized. Some hundreds of years ago it was just unimaginable.

U can't get off risks, so Elysium-like future possible as well, if not so smart'll win.

Yes, this is true, but people who don't aspire to be at the top in this way aren't being capitalist. I was only speaking of capitalist ideals. Philanthropy may get you to the top, or may be employed by people at the top, but it's not a capitalist ideal.