Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 22, 2018, 02:37:27 AM

...So regular folks (including myself and likely you) should just be prepared for BTC price movements in either direction, and sure they would like to make you and me and other regular folks to become jaded, but if you been in bitcoin long enough, you already have a decent sense that whales can manipulate within certain limited channels and ONLY for certain periods of time, but also from time to time they are also going to lose control of the situation (at least temporarily, which can last for many months), and in these cases, with Bitcoin, the price is very likely to go up and making it more costly for the whales to get back into some kind of short term semblance of control, so many of us non-jaded folks (who have sufficiently studied the space and understand what is going on with BTC fundamentals being strong) are going to profit from our hands NOT being shook by the short term playing around of whales.

The situation is not fake news. It's real.

I hear ya, basically just creating tokens out of thin air with futures markets should not have affected my attitude as much as it has.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 22, 2018, 02:51:41 AM

By the way, I was editing my above post while you were making your above response, but I would like to add here that you seem to be quite skeptical of the power of bitcoin.

Of course, traditionally powerful folks, and especially those who have access to a lot of fiat, are going to attempt to use BTC as their playing ground for as long as they can get away with it, and so there remains a kind of war going on and regular people have not completely lost this role, and the bitcoin community has a lot of vigilence within it. We are not just the pawns of the rich, as sometimes they would like you to believe yourself to be, and even though ETFs are going to provide more tools for the rich to play around and to manipulate bitcoin, it is also going to both cause bitcoin prices to go up quite stupendously and become a kind of Trojan horse, as some have theorized.... They let bitcoin in and then they are kind of stuck with some of its sound money features that is going to push less sound money to become more sound.

I like your optimism, Thanks for that. Cheesy