Quote from: DooMAD on September 24, 2018, 06:08:42 PM

Quote from: aliashraf on September 24, 2018, 04:02:03 PM

I suspect most of the people who are insisting on this idea, multiple implementations, are just taking advantage of an incident to retaliate against Core team. I'm sure about you not being such a person but I afraid you don't completely get how irrelevant and dangerous is this proposal.

Satoshi's original software was just like 3K lines of code, now we have bitcoin core with 100K lines and every software engineer knows what does it mean and how inevitable is having bug issues. Actually it is very impressive that an unexploited bug is the worst incident of its kind after like 10 years and Core guys deserve a lot of kudos for the job they have accomplished till now.

Now instead of a decent technical discussion about how and why this bloat happened and what measures should be taken to manage the risks involved, we are watching biased actors

Putting aside the absurdity of someone who argues against any and all off chain solutions and believes every future development can be nowhere other than on layer 0 having the gall to use the word "bloat" in a sentence without a hint of irony...

More ironic would be the attitude of an "anti-FUD" troll who suddenly suggests using alternative implementations because of his common sense about "not putting all the eggs in one basket", I suppose.

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How about, instead of gross generalisations and dismissing thousands of lines of code as "bloat", you name the specific parts of the code that you believe aren't needed? This will greatly expedite the moment someone can tell you why you're wrong and we can all move on.

Have you ever tried coding? It is not how it works. you can not pick Windows source code and put finger on this or that module to blame. It is a technical term and one should have a basic software engineering knowledge and experience to catch up.

Based on your above argument, I suppose you are not 100% qualified to judge my assessment. It would be Greg Maxwell's job to denounced bitcoin code as being in a bloated state and then my job to convince him about it. For now, 7500% growth in the code volume is enough evidence to "move on" with my analysis.

FYI: My opposition to LN and off-chain scaling solutions has nothing to do with software bloat. I think it is absolutely possible to have a smart, clean and elegant software that implements a robust and solid protocol capable of satisfying all the necessary conditions for a decentralized, permissionless and secure "p2p electronic cash system" and is absolutely capable of performing and scaling good enough to be gradually adopted by people as an alternative monetary system without compromising any of these features or projecting any part of its job to non-standard semi-centralized second layer solutions.
It is how I show my loyalty to "the cause". Unlike people like you, I haven't give up with bitcoin and crypto.

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Fair enough if we're ruling out alternative implementations due to security concerns. It was only a suggestion based on the conventional wisdom of "not putting all your eggs in one basket".

Ok, I get it. You said something silly and now you are sorry.
Apology accepted but you should stop terrorizing my personality too.
Just keep reading and try learning instead of talking nonsense about LN in a decent highly technical topic about a critical turning point in bitcoin history.