Quote from: PowerChaos on August 17, 2011, 06:14:46 AM

Quote from: EuSouBitcoin on August 17, 2011, 01:13:42 AM

I am definitely in favor of removing PayPal as an allowed payment method on BitMarket.eu. Dwolla is the way to go. Lose PayPal and all the scams associated with it.

i am not so happy that paypal get removed from the trade list

the reason why is because i use paypal as trading exange

most of my payments are taken care of by paypal , so i was specialy looking for a place to trade bitcoins to paypal ( it goes fast in my case)

i know about the scammings that are happening and thats why i started up a escrow service so i can make sure that the user get paid even if it got charged back (as they charge back from me , so the end user always get his money )

for me it would be sadly if paypal get removed , as it is already hard to find a good place to trade with paypal

on the other side , there will always be scammers , specialy because bitcoin is a 1 way currency
how you want to look at it , there are always ways to scam some1 , and sadly enouf they are abusing the systems to make a quick amount of money
but that does not mean that you need to eliminate the use of it

you need to see it like a shop
you got a shop in mainstreet , it get robbed 3X per week , does that means that that shop need to close because it is in a high risk street ??
if they are heavy secured , does that eliminate the risk to get robbed ?? (maybe a bit )
they just change the payment way , instead only acceping cash they accept creditcards so they can not be robbed from there cash ... (external source to complete the payment)

point i mean
if some1 can abuse something then mostly they will abuse it

i want to fight to against the abusing of paypal , that is why i offer that escrow service
i got a bit more skills with the chargebacks so i know how i can protect myself from it
unlike ohter *new* users who barely use paypal , they do not know the tricks to protect from chargeback and they mostly fail to keep the chargeback

like i told before to , try to accept only verified paypal accounts
if they do fraude then there account wont be verified (as it need a valid visa card .. not a stolen creditcard in the first place)
applying that rule will eliminate already 65% of the current clients you have , but it does not destroy the nice payment system you are offering
and it let users feel safer because it is a verified account and not just a account that exist from 2 days ago

hopely you can understand what i try to explain

Greets From PowerChaos

I think you are missing the point. Scammers use verified Paypal accounts, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever.

Another thing is - the rightful owners do chargebacks as well - claiming their account was taken over. How do you deal with that? Paypal doesn't give a shit about our logs, IPs, screenshots and whatnot. Don't use it - that's it. I am so looking forward to the day when Bitcoin will finally take over from Paypal.