Quote from: Flying Hellfish on September 30, 2018, 07:51:58 PM

Quote from: CoinCube on September 30, 2018, 05:17:02 PM

Quote from: Flying Hellfish on September 30, 2018, 12:50:07 PM

Well if Trump nominates another serial rapist and liar then its not hard to imagine them not getting a (if they lose the senate) lame duck nom through lol!

And with thus deceleration of guilt you along with much of the irrational left have entirely abandoned the presumption innocence so fundamental for society to exist as anything other then a tyranny of the powerful.

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The right is allowed to assert Kavanaugh is innocent but the left can't claim Kavanaugh is guilty or we broke the world LOL fucking hypocrites.

Congratulations to the right for trying to subvert due process by assuming every white christian male is innocent and an investigation is never required when the white christian male denies it, you have become part of the reason the world is laughing at America!

You unintentionally got this part exactly right.

Everyone liberals and conservatives, Christians and atheists, black and white are entitled to the presumption of innocence. The burden of proof always rests on the accuser as it must.

If you abandon this principle you go a long way towards breaking the foundation that makes freedom possible.

Investigation is fine provided it is a genuine search for truth. The Senate should have carried it out as they are the ones empowered by the constitution with the power of the subpoena and the duty to vet nominees but if they want to outsource this role to the FBI that is their right.

The article below highlights the importance of this issue. I quoted a small amount of it below but the entire piece is worth reading.

Kavanaugh: Americas Dreyfus Affair
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/kavanaugh-america-dreyfus-affair/comment-page-2/

Quote from: Rod Dreher

Its not that I believe Kavanaugh is innocent. I think it is possible that he is guilty of what Ford accuses him of. But I believe he is not guilty, in the sense that there is not nearly enough evidence to judge him guilty of the accusation. Ford has nothing to support her accusation but her accusation. Kavanaugh strongly denies it, as you know, and he has offered evidence (e.g., his summer calendar) that he could not have been where he was supposed to have been. And, none of the people Ford has said could corroborate the event say they were there.

If we allow Kavanaughs nomination to go down on the basis of unsupported accusations, then we set a terrible precedent. We give a veto to anyone who makes an accusation against a nominee, however groundless. What strikes me is that liberals assume his guilt because he belongs to a class, and has an identity, that they despise: upper-class white male conservative. If you read commentary from liberals on social media and elsewhere, it is shocking how openly they dismiss Kavanaughs defense because he is white and male and privileged never mind that Ford comes from and lives in the same social class. Liberals would quite rightly reject the idea that a witness deserves to be disbelieved because she is poor, black, and female. By many liberals, Kavanaughs race, sex, and class are held to be evidence of his guilt. This should not be all that surprising to people who have been following campus political discourse, but it seems that now liberals elite ones, anyway, in media and politics have turned the public square into the Oberlin campus.

What was so galvanizing to many of us yesterday, hearing Kavanaughs opening statement, and seeing Sen. Lindsey Grahams passionate defense of Kavanaugh, was that this is not a man who is willing to passively accept the fate that liberals have decreed for deplorable people like him. He may yet go down, but he will not have gone down without a fight. I thought last night that maybe, just maybe, this will be a turning point, a point in which not just conservatives, but all people even old-fashioned liberals will stand up to this ideological madness, this bullying.
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Thats why defending Kavanaugh is not strictly about defending Kavanaugh. Its about fighting the mob, and defending some sort of rational process by which we discern truth and falsity, guilt and innocence. Its about standing up to the mob on Capitol Hill, on campuses, in newsrooms, and in elite institutions that determine guilt based on identity. As the reader above said, this is about self-protection not in a selfish sense, but in the (old-fashioned liberal) sense of protecting the processes that are our best chance of establishing fairness. I have sons, and I have a daughter. If any of them are ever sexually assaulted, or are accused of sexual assault, I want them to be treated fairly. I do not want my children to be privileged or un-privileged, based on the color of their skin, their sex, their social class, their religion, or anything else.

There was a time when this was the goal that most Americans aspired to