Quote from: ni23457 on October 03, 2018, 02:28:42 PM

toodamntired, impressive post

I will only comment on what I do not fully agree with.

Quote from: toodamntired on October 03, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

Just because a company is registered in one jurisdiction and works from another, wile claiming to be from yet another location does not automatically make them scammers.

I do not blame them for being registered somewhere. I blame them for giving out their registration for their real location. And people think that they are from the Czech Republic, but this is a lie.
Everyone knows that Yandex is a Russian company, which is located in Russia. And almost no one knows that it is registered in Netherlands. Yandex never pretended they were in Netherlands because they didnt need to pretend. They are an honest and respected company in the world.

Quote from: toodamntired on October 03, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

If I was a Russian citizen, who owned a business that targeted customers on a global scale, I sure the hell would not say I was in Russia.

I am sure that the only reason for which they conceal that they from Russia is not an image/reputaion, but a fear of the Russian authorities and laws. Since there are no laws on cryptocurrency in Russia their activity is shady there. And they have every chance that once masked people come to them (as in the photo in the first post).

Quote from: toodamntired on October 03, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

By sending in those images, you did violate their terms of service and really there is no one to blame for that, except for yourself.

I spat on the rules written by some anonymous guys.
If they do not like that I spit on their rules, then let them just ban me in their service. Who are they to hold my property and refuse to refund?
I did not violate the laws of the state. I demanded to return my money in the first day (3 months ago)
If they had information that my money was stolen, they should have reported it to the Russian police. What the hell do they keep this money with? Who are they??

I repeat to you again. If I broke the rules of the fucking site, then this fucking site can stop working with me. Even in their wicked agreement there was no line that if I refuse to send them my documents, they will not return my money to me.

Therefore, they have the right to refuse me in exchange. I don't need their fucking exchange. But they have no right to hold my property, because they are nobody, they are not the police, they are not a bank, and not a stock exchange, they are Russian guys who bought the company in an offshore garbage dump for $ 650.

Quote from: toodamntired on October 03, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

Furthermore, I think that while Changelly is not directly responsible, the representative from Changelly who has posted here is incorrect in one aspect for sure. A comment by the person posting as Changelly said that they were not responsible for what a third-party does using their API.

They are the same people living in the same city and having several shit companies
Russian Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda, Ink.one, Evercode Lab (for unregistered users)
You for example have seen messages from Atomic Wallet here. This is a new company of the owner and former CEO of Changelly - Gla***hev. The co-founder of Atomic Wallet is Br**ov. Br**ov is co-founder of St Petersburg' Evercode Lab (developer of ChangeNOW). It's just St. Petersburg family

Quote from: toodamntired on October 03, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

Changelly, do something about it. because if you serve 2-million customers, $70k worth of BCH is not worth the headache. Time spent posting on it here, replying to posts elsewhere, customers lost as a result of their opinion being in line with OPs, etc...

It is very difficult for them. Because it is a system. If a person does not send documents, then the money remains with them.
And they find it difficult to go against it. They are afraid of precedent and its consequences for their rich life.
Read the Internet and see how many such cases. Someone even created a website.
http://changellyreview.com/
And everywhere the same words: fear of stolen money, Europol etc.
You understand that all this money remains with them? Do you understand the volume of this money? I think that for example 10% of users never send their documents. They are afraid of losing such a business. So it is very dangerous to make a precedent and return money to me.

Quote from: toodamntired on October 03, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

they should be b boycotted and ousted as performing bas business, but not of scamming since there is no actual proof of that.

People use fake names and pretend that they are from the Czech Republic and you do not call it a scam? What names did they use here?
They are not rap singers to use pseudonyms. They manage MONEY business service. Ask yourself for what purpose do they use fake names?

Quote from: s1lverbox on October 03, 2018, 11:41:00 AM

If changelly gave u whitelisted account and change now is the same gang, than I don't see the reason why they should hold your coins untill you goes through kyc with them.

As you can see, they do not deny it. If they deny, then I will give theymos or another authoritative user a login/password from my email and he will confirm our correspondence and transactions.
I sent PM to you (not with login/pass Grin

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Hey, don't misunderstand me. They have no right to hold your money, for any reason. I am not saying that what they are doing is not a scam, I am simply saying that there is no proof of it. Do I think that they are scamming people, selectively or not? sure. I think they absolutely are, but without proof, I am just saying that I wouldn't use the term.

You bring up a very good point about precedence. I never considered that aspect of it before and I have to agree with you there. If they give you your money back, then all of the other people who didn't send documents and lost their funds will have a legal basis for reclaiming their money.

I understand that they are not rap artists and have no reason to use fake names. However, it is not illegal to do this, it is jt's very shady business practices.

Either way, this is a totally bad situation. It is situations like these that cause the problems that the cryptocurrency world had to fight through every single day. I am looking into some things on my end, as I am a writer for a couple of larger cryptocurrency websites and if the is something here, then it needs to be made public so that people can either be forewarned, r at least have the information to be fully informed.

So please, my friend, do not take anything in my original post as being me disagreeing with you. I am simply adding my two cents, is all. I think that it is a situation that needs to be monitored and action needs to be taken in some way. Not only for you and your money that they have, but for the entire crypto-community, as a whole.