Quote from: CoinCube on October 03, 2018, 06:14:54 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on October 03, 2018, 05:35:39 PM

You are playing with the semantics. Logical universe vs universe that can be reduced to logical axioms.

Neither of the statements can be asserted.

BTW, many things that have been discovered by science are neither intuitive nor logical.

Good luck with your conjectures.

Good luck with your conjectures as well. Ultimately we all live out our beliefs an experiment in real time if you will.

Your belief's whatever they may be are similarly grounded in a priori truths which you cannot prove only assert. All beliefs trace back to the a priori aka assumed truths. Most people are unwilling or unable to actually question their foundations. Even nihilism is an assertion of this kind.

For clarity, however, I never said anything about the universe being intuitive. Nor do I agree with your claim that science has made discoveries that show the universe is illogical. I would argue the very opposite that body of science is gradually revealing an highly ordered and logical creation.

I only accept truths that can be verified by science.

So you believe supernova explosions to be highly ordered?

For all we know our universe could have exploded from a black hole singularity somewhere else in the cosmos.

Why do you think we have such a big universe, why do we have black holes? All logical to you?