Quote from: BADecker on October 11, 2018, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 11, 2018, 03:51:07 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 11, 2018, 02:56:07 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 11, 2018, 01:50:10 PM

'' Supremely Intelligent Supreme Being'' No I'm not you are just ignoring everything to keep your belief going. I said numerous times that multiple supremely intelligent beings could have created the universe, can you disprove that, no you can't, therefore why do you keep claiming it was god when it could have been numerous supremely intelligent beings? I pointed out to super intelligent aliens several times. Again you have no ARGUMENT against any of my examples, you can't keep claiming it was god, period. You lost, deal with it.

There is only ONE God. Why? Because there is only one "outside of the universe."

We have no evidence of anything in the universe making itself without something from outside of itself making it. But there is evidence and proof all over the place in countless numbers of things where they are made by something outside themselves.

This brings us to the question >>> Does anything ever make itself, from scratch, without something outside of it making it?

Another way to say this is >>> Is there ever any spontaneous generation of anything?

We have no evidence of such. Everything we know about has at least one maker. Even the idea of radioactive decay having to do with some form of spontaneity, is just an idea, but might be a theory. What it isn't is a known fact. But if it somehow could be a fact, it would be one against countless trillions of trillions of makers making things.

In other words, things have makers outside of themselves...

once something is made the maker might go inside of it...

the maker generally doesn't entirely become part of the thing that he made even if he is inside of it.

One God, not originally from within the universe He made, but partially within it now, yet also outside of it, and different than it.

Again, One God because outside-the-universe is all we know about what is outside of the universe. Outside includes not even understanding what this "outside" is or means, because we are universe oriented. One outside. That's it. One God.

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''There is only ONE supreme intelligent alien. Why? Because there is only one "outside of the universe."

There are a few supreme intelligent aliens, why? Because the universe is so complex that multiple creators are required to build it

The universe was created by ''Insert any name'' supreme being

And so on and so on. Again, why does it have to be your god and not a super intelligent alien? Why not multiple aliens, why not any other being that we can think of? Why god?

Nothing in your argument rules out the possibility of multiple causes, meaning that you can't be certain it was god and not gods.

So, you think you can think along the lines of something outside of the universe clearly enough to know what it is, right?

Even if, in their relationships among themselves, there were more beings outside the universe than the number of electrons that could fill the whole volume of the universe, for us there is still only One. That One is outside-the-universe.

Or have you been out there to check it all out? Have you facts that show that there could not be one intelligent Being outside the universe, that is so vastly intelligent, that building a universe like ours is child's play to Him/It?

Your stuff is speculation. Outside the universe is not speculation. Outside is one outside. Show how it is not, and that your showing is other than speculation or ideas.

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That's the point you dumbass, you claim to know what it is and you call it god, I'm trying to make you realize that we can't know what it is, I'm glad you finally realized it without really realizing it.