Quote from: BADecker on October 11, 2018, 07:27:02 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 11, 2018, 06:47:55 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 11, 2018, 04:42:27 PM

So, you think you can think along the lines of something outside of the universe clearly enough to know what it is, right?

Even if, in their relationships among themselves, there were more beings outside the universe than the number of electrons that could fill the whole volume of the universe, for us there is still only One. That One is outside-the-universe.

Or have you been out there to check it all out? Have you facts that show that there could not be one intelligent Being outside the universe, that is so vastly intelligent, that building a universe like ours is child's play to Him/It?

Your stuff is speculation. Outside the universe is not speculation. Outside is one outside. Show how it is not, and that your showing is other than speculation or ideas.

Cool

That's the point you dumbass, you claim to know what it is and you call it god, I'm trying to make you realize that we can't know what it is, I'm glad you finally realized it without really realizing it.

LOL! How many times do I have to say that I and others measure God by the relationships between things of the universe? Never do I say that we have any knowledge of things outside the universe, except that the universe shows that there are such things. In fact, I constantly say that we don't know anything about outside the universe, objectively.

To point, on this. Everything in the universe has a cause-and-effect relationship to something that caused it. In addition, the universe never shows anything that exists without a cause. In addition, nothing in the universe ever caused itself.

So, what caused the universe, as all the evidence of the universe shows? Something outside of the universe caused it. Universe shows us this by example within itself.

Why call the Causer of the universe God? Because the dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of God match the ultra great strength, intelligence, and order/organization of whatever the "outside Thing" MUST BE to make a universe like ours. Why MUST BE? Because if it wasn't, we wouldn't have much of a universe, and we, ourselves, wouldn't have the complexity to measure the universe as greatly as we have. Why not? Because it takes something in the line of God to make this kind of a universe. So, whatever is outside the universe is God.

Now, if you are measuring the Maker by the order, organization, and complexity of the universe, why don't you at least accept the term "God" which the universe shows that the Maker is? If you are biased against the word "God," you have all kinds of other word combinations that you can use, like Supreme Being, or Great First Cause.

Cool

''Why call the Causer of the universe God? Because the dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of God match the ultra great strength, intelligence, and order/organization of whatever the "outside Thing" MUST BE to make a universe like ours.'' You realize how stupid this argument is? If I include Badecker in the dictionary and give it the description of ''creator of the universe'' would that mean that badecker is the creator because that's how it is defined in the dictionary? Are you this dumb or what's wrong with you.

There are many gods defined as creators of the universe, why chose your christian god and not the others? Perhaps it's because that's what they taught you when you were a kid?