Quote from: paxmao on October 12, 2018, 08:00:06 PM

Quote from: Jet Cash on October 12, 2018, 10:33:02 AM

We can extend the "transition" period

Again - no you can´t. That requires the consensus of the 27 EU members. At most you can make a vague deal, but the problem of having a country and a governing party that are divided is not going to solve itself.

Quote from: TECSHARE on October 12, 2018, 08:43:44 AM

True, but what is the point of having a vote if it is just ignored? ...

Quote from: percent on October 12, 2018, 09:47:47 AM

If there is a second vote, the public has no reason to vote ever again.

The vote was not ignored. The government has tried to deliver the promises that were made during the referendum. Just in case someone did not know already, these were absolutely impossible.

- The EU immigration is linked to the common market and the UK cannot pick and choose.
- You can´t pretend to access a market without having a common jurisdiction.
- You can´t substitute the trade the UK has with Europe with imaginary trade deals with Trumpist USA, China, India nor any other country.

And so many other stupidities that no-one ever thought that would have to be delivered, as the result was not expected.

At this point, most UK citizens have finally realised that it was a bad idea to leave, that the younger generations are going to pay for it dearly and that it would be convenient to re-think (re-vote) to see what people think today after seeing the true nature of a Brexit.

Quote from: criptix on October 12, 2018, 08:40:36 AM

The core of the question is though, if now the majority votes for not leaving how can you deny their choice?

Correct. The people anyway would not be able to vote on remaining or leaving, but they could be offered a choice of what type of Brexit they want.

The realistic alternatives at this point are:

a) WTO rules, with no deal at all. Hard border in Ireland.
This option is super-expensive. Not even the UK can afford the luxury of doing this.

b) Canadian style trade deal.
Reasonable, yet still very expensive. Probably would cause a crisis for the young generations.

c) Norwegian / Swiss type of deal, with full access to market and free movement of people.
Would make the UK loose face, as it was better to have influence, but minimises the crisis, the pound recovers and we are again one happy (dysfunctional) family.

There is no chance of a Chequers agreement. In the UK is seen as insufficient for the brexiters and in Europe is seen as giving a ridiculously privileged treatment to the UK.

BTW, Can any of the hard brexiters here provide a practical, economically viable and realistic answer to the Irish border issue? Because all that is being said is about conspiracy theories, governing illuminati, etc... but I just don´t see anything that could possibly solve the real problems. Just a mumble-jumble of empire-age nostalgia, mixed with false information and xenophobic propaganda.

Yes, the vote is being ignored, if it wasn't why try to vote again? Yes the UK absolutely can replace its trade with the EU, that is how world markets work. The "BREXIT" did not cause any of these issues. These ware all already issues, or they were invented to create as much disincentive as possible for leaving the EU. This is basically a financial and geopolitical bait and switch. The EU arrangements are odious on their face and DESIGNED to strip EU of its wealth, rights, and sovereignty.

Quote from: criptix on October 12, 2018, 08:40:36 AM

The core of the question is though, if now the majority votes for not leaving how can you deny their choice?

Because that is how voting works. People choose and the most popular choice wins. Only they already voted, and it was to leave.