Quote from: BADecker on October 12, 2018, 12:57:40 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 12, 2018, 12:18:45 PM

''Why call the Causer of the universe God? Because the dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of God match the ultra great strength, intelligence, and order/organization of whatever the "outside Thing" MUST BE to make a universe like ours.'' You realize how stupid this argument is? If I include Badecker in the dictionary and give it the description of ''creator of the universe'' would that mean that badecker is the creator because that's how it is defined in the dictionary? Are you this dumb or what's wrong with you.

There are many gods defined as creators of the universe, why chose your christian god and not the others? Perhaps it's because that's what they taught you when you were a kid?

Why do you always limit yourself to such a tiny scope of thinking? For example, you talk about what is in the dictionary. How did it get there, whatever it is? God placed it there through cause and effect, right?

But you are free to put things in a dictionary, just like other people, right? And you are free to tear pages out of your dictionary, right? You might even get away with tearing pages out of the library dictionary, right? But you aren't free to tear all the pages about God from all the dictionaries and other writings that contain God, because God wants info about Himself to be there for people to read. If He didn't, these things wouldn't be there by C&E, right?

What about your freedom to add words or tear out pages? It is only an allusion of freedom, an artificial freedom. Why? Because none of us has the strength to do anything outside of C&E, or to do C&E without God doing it for us. Why? Because when we decide to cause something to bring about a certain effect, and then we do it, something caused us to decide that way, and many things caused us to be able to carry it out.

So, God is giving us freedom at the same time He is limiting our freedom. And He does it all for our joy and salvation. That's why He allows us to use our freedom to put false info about false gods into writings... so that we can see where these false gods don't line up with reality... so that we can come to Him and be saved, rather than reject Him... God, the only Thing that maintains us, as shown by C&E.

Take Zeus for example. Zeus died, even though many hold that he isn't dead as long as people believe things about him. But nowhere does Zeus have any writings that show that he is the holder of C&E in everything. In this and many other ways Zeus is incomplete regarding the universe and reality. But if he were complete regarding the universe and reality, then all that would have happened is that people would have added another name - Zeus - to the names that match the God of all things.

Again, if you are biased or prejudiced against the word "God" for some reason, use other words or names. I previously gave you a couple - Supreme Being, Great First Cause - and in another post ages ago, I even showed you more. The point is to recognize God for the Greatness that He is in every way, so that you can find salvation from your own demise in this life.

The point is simple. The more we get into science, the more science proves that God not only exists, but that He is the Holder and Controller of all things. Just because there are people who don't want to recognize the science of this, doesn't mean it is not there.

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Meh, a lot of useless talk and you still haven't showed what evidence you have to points to god and not multiple gods or multiple other causes, your argument is still invalid.