Quote from: coins4commies on October 17, 2018, 03:01:50 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 17, 2018, 12:42:55 AM

All you are saying is that there isn't proof for anything, because things might be different somewhere else.

Right here, there isn't even one example of pure random or evolution. But there are lots of examples of C&E, adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change.

You are certainly welcome to head out there to find some proof for random and evolution if you want. Have a nice journey.

Evolution is a hoax, and you are continuing to prove it.

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We have great knowledge how genetic mutations are caused, that they are random, and that they lead to new/different traits being passed on to the next generation. We also know how natural selection works and can see it happening all the time in species with short generation times. These are all things that are so easily replicable that it is being done in most high school level classes and up.

But none of these things show us evolution into a new kind of creature. In addition, creating settings for change in a petri dish, is creating, not evolving.

Quote from: coins4commies on October 17, 2018, 03:01:50 AM

There isn't "proof" of a scientific theory. You need to understand that scientific theories don't need to be something that we have proof of. The entire concept of science is crafting an explanation based on the evidence and all of the evidence supports the theory of evolution.

This is exactly the point. Science theory exists to pass on ideas, not to prove that something is factual. Once in a while some science theory is tested in just the right way, and is found to be fact... which takes it out of the realm of science theory.

Evolution theory is just like that. Evolution theory takes a bunch of facts about nature, and tries to say that evolution is real. By the definition of science theory, evolution is real in science theory only... not in the reality of nature. So far, evolution is in the realm of science theory. It isn't a fact of nature. So, why is it touted as being a fact of nature?

Quote from: coins4commies on October 17, 2018, 03:01:50 AM

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The point is that if people seriously look at the alternate possibility(ies), evolution becomes a not so grandiose of an idea. So, why is evolution promoted as reality? Nobody knows it is reality. Everybody who thinks it is, is denying a whole lot of alternative thinking. Saying fact, when fact is not known, is the thing that makes evolution to be a hoax.

Its not that scientists ignore other explanations, its just that no other explanation has evidence that even comes close to the comprehensive mountain of evidence we have suggesting evolution. To "prove" evolution with the standards you are referencing, you would need a time machine, so that is a very unscientific argument.

Science still can't tell the difference between adaptation and "programmed" change in like-begets-like. However, if they DID find something that really could be classified as evolution in some petri dish, there is STILL no way to extrapolate backwards into the fossil record to show which of the creatures were evolving and which were not. The two basic reasons why evolution is not proven are: 1) no DNA to check it out the fossil record for sure; 2) C&E means programming, which means that everything was set up to act as it does, and evolution theory is exceptionally hazy on this reality.

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