Quote from: Murwa on August 21, 2011, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: jtimon on August 21, 2011, 09:14:31 PM

They can try to influence me, but I can resist. I'm free to chose to buy their shit or not.

You response has nothing to do with what i stated .
She claimed as a fact that society cannot be engineered while reality tells otherwise.

What I claim is that despite being "engineered" (they don't know for sure the effects of their advertisements) I'm not forced to follow anyones plan. That's what she mean, not marketing stuff.

Quote from: Murwa on August 21, 2011, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: jtimon on August 21, 2011, 09:14:31 PM

So there's no need to eliminate money. Good. Just change values.
I think that only changing values is not enough, I think that redesigning the monetary system is also necessary and urgent.
But at least we agree on that, values must change.

Yes there is need to do so long term because profit mechanism is broken in so many ways.

I don't think the profit mechanism is broken. Look at what the profit mechanism is achieving within this community.

Quote from: Murwa on August 21, 2011, 09:26:39 PM

As for redesigning monetary model rules of money have already changed 4 times in the last 100 years. all it leads from one crisis to another. How long we will be stuck in this vicious circle , especially that we are on the edge what our planet can provide , sustain from us.

4 times in 100 years?
I can recall only 3 systems in the past 120 years.

1) The classical gold standart.
2) A hybrid between gold standart and clearing between central banks.
3) Global fiat casino based completely in private or semi-private central banks and debt.

What I think is that the steps are being taken in the wrong direction. What's going to be the next? The FMI as a global central bank printing bancors? That's not going to be an improvement neither.

Quote from: Murwa on August 21, 2011, 09:30:36 PM

Money is only good incentive for manual work.

Unless you include every work that involves typing in a computer's keyboard as "manual work" you're obviously wrong.