Quote from: Superluk on January 25, 2014, 08:42:05 PM

Quote from: Chris180Z on January 25, 2014, 08:32:38 PM

Firstly, thanks for pointing that out. There are so many coins I have been keeping tabs on I completely forgot this is a pre-mined coin so I will withdraw my mining from this coin (hey, everyone makes mistakes/gets confused at times).

Secondly, Xivra is not my coin, I am not the dev or a dev of any coin, I just like the fairness of it (no pre-mine and the community there seem nice and fair). Ultimately that's why we turned to crypto-currencies, because we didn't want central bankers ruling the economy (unfairly). I think many of us have lost that message, because we would never stand for pre mined and insta-mined currencies. We want a fair system, and this seems to go against "liberty, prosperity and security" for all. For the few people at the top, yeah sure, but not for all.

You can track every single pre-mined noblecoin here: http://www.noblemovement.com/public-ledger/
If a dev-team is working intensively on a project like it does on NobleCoin, it needs ressources for that. Pre-mining is a legitimate tool for that, as long as it's done transparent and fair. And it can't get any more transparent than here. But obviously you haven't read into anything relating to this coin, you're just here to spread your shit.

Fantastic. I missed this. Then I do apologies. If it is done transparent and fair then I have no issues. I see he has given away a few million so far, however there only seems to be text recording rather than transactions, although I suppose it is impossible to truly prove them giveaways, which is why people do not like pre-mine.

"Giveaways: 2,815,000 (203 individual giveaways) | Pools: 550,000 | Translations: 75,000 (approximately 200,000 after all translations done)"

How do we know them 203 individuals were not himself, just sending to different wallets? Or he set up a pool and gave himself 550,000? Again, this is why people do not like pre-mined coins because you can never truly be transparent, we are still just taking his word that the coins send to them wallets were not his own.