Quote from: Murwa on August 23, 2011, 04:37:41 PM

Quote from: jtimon on August 23, 2011, 02:52:24 PM

While in an ideal anarcho-capitalism (I already claimed that I'm for free market but against capitalism), each individual is autonomous and takes his own decisions.

Only in theory , in monetary system person is bounded by a needs to survive he has to work for money ( which stifle creativity) in order to survive , live decent life and have money to rise children.

You need food to rise your children, not money. You don't have to use money within anarchy: you can be self-sufficient.

Quote from: Murwa on August 23, 2011, 04:37:41 PM

Quote from: jtimon on August 23, 2011, 02:52:24 PM

I'll go back to the first one, which I assume is the one you accept as a self-evident proof that we must destroy the whole concept of money. Because it's cursed tool that cannot be fixed. Is not worth to even try to fix it or think about it because is self-evident that the tool was broken already at its birth.

There is so much stuff broken with them i see no reason to fix them since as more we learn everyday more data speaks that money concept is obsolete.

How can everyday data tell us anything about Ripple (a brand new concept) or freigeld (a concept only used at the local level)?
At most the everyday data tell us that the current monetary system is obsolete.

Quote from: Murwa on August 23, 2011, 04:37:41 PM

Quote from: jtimon on August 23, 2011, 02:52:24 PM

What you seem to blindly deny is that robots would not have been possible without money !!!

I dont deny that, in fact in above example science tell us money is excellent motivator for simple algorithmic tasks. The reality of XIX , XX century was that most of the jobs were as such but right now it is changing rapidly. Money system has done its job and its on the verge of its possibilities. Time to move over.

Work force is shifting from mundane tasks ( which are easily automated ) to the more creative one ( in which money incentive does not fit ). Thus entire argument when we automate most of the economy there will be no progress is invalid and in fact data show us we can at least expect total opposite effect ( increase in innovation )

Although monetary incentives fail to increase the creativity of this non mechanic workers, we still need a way to measure the goodness of the entrepreneur's innovations.
The only way I see to measure it is the demand for the products of the innovation.

Quote from: Murwa on August 23, 2011, 04:37:41 PM

Quote from: jtimon on August 23, 2011, 02:52:24 PM

-Incentive often reduces creativity.
So what. I agree with this. How is this incompatible with my claims?

Because it is a monetary incentive that reduces creativity. How it can be compatible with money system ?

As pointed Incentives like self mastery , autonomy and purpose works much better.
in change with social values and proper education system , next generations will be driven by just that and in fact those are very liberal qualities !!!

I agree, those are very liberal qualities.
But I would not say that the monetary incentive reduces creativity, only that it doesn't work in some cases.
And again, the only alternative to private educations systems are public educations systems. More managed and less autonomous.
If you have agreed that money is responsible for the specialization and civilization. Don't you think that it could be dangerous to remove it?