Quote from: franky1 on November 17, 2018, 07:04:11 PM

the event happened august 2017... so use your eyes. dont use live data for a historic event thats already passed

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how about go look at the stats of 2017..

The Bitcoin network does not care about your unique interpretation of stats from August 2017. The BTC chain has reached consensus on each and every day since that "event". Your opinions on the matter are irrelevant. You don't seem to comprehend the fact that softforks are permitted. Softforks do not bypass consensus. If you think they do, it might be wise for you to find another network where softforks aren't permitted and use that instead, rather than just whining about it all the time. None of your FUD and attempts to re-write history changes what actually happened. SegWit was activated because consensus was reached. If that's not how you see it, you clearly don't share the same definition of the word "consensus" as the network does. That's your problem, not ours.

Quote from: franky1 on November 17, 2018, 07:04:11 PM

but as i said in other topics.. stop meandering to turn things into social drama..

the topics is about someone saying about possibility of the end of bitcoin.
i mentioned about bitcoin, what could end it(being number 1). and craig

if you dont like it. ignore me and move on.

Yes, Franky1, we've all noticed your immense talent for taking topics that aren't directly discussing SegWit and LN and twisting them to suit your propaganda and FUD. All it took was someone to mention that CSW has been taking shots at LN, for you to treat that as an invitation for you to join CSW in doing exactly the same (talking a load of easily debunked crap, that is). Why are you meandering? Here it is, just in case you need some help in understanding the plain and simple fact that YOU are the one who, as always, takes the thread off-topic:

Quote from: franky1 on November 16, 2018, 08:42:57 PM

but with that said.

LN is not a bitcoin payment system.
LN is a separate payment system for multiple coins.

now if the bitcoin network doesnt innovate the bitcoin network to be usable and cheap (i mean the actual bitcoin network).

people will deposit bitcoins into LN. play around on LN but not want to get BTC back(slow confirms, only ~2k tx per block, higher fee's than many countries min wage). people will instead want to exit LN via an altcoin thats cheaper and faster.

its exactly like 19th century gold.
deposit gold into a payment network.. play with unaudited receipts of 'promised'(but not guaranteed) ownership(old bank notes). and at the end take out copper brass nickel metals(pennys, quarters)

This is what you do. You derailed the topic from people talking about CSW and changed it to taking pot shots at LN/SegWit/softforks/devs/etc just like you do in most of the topics you post in. You're not even subtle about it anymore. Given even the slightest opportunity, even when it's nothing to do with the topic, you'll start blathering on about "social drama", "consensus bypass", "mandatory upgrade", "tyranny", "developer control" and all your other tedious bullshit catchphrases. You don't get to talk about "meandering" (your latest catchphrase) when that's all you ever do. I'm not putting you on ignore, because trolls need shooting down. However, I strongly encourage everyone else reading this to put you on ignore. You're the same breed of vile toxic waste as Craig "Scammer" Wright. Anyone reading this thread can see that.

LN clearly won't end Bitcoin. It's actually a bigger threat to the altcoins that split away and refuse to support it (which leads me to believe that's why you're so strongly opposed to it, just like CSW). Bitcoin is going to be fine. All the people who want to use altcoins because it's faster and cheaper are already doing so, because they've had that option ever since altcoins appeared on exchanges. All LN and atomic swaps will do, in regard to the altcoins that support it, is provide a safer option for those who wish to do that. It will be better for the entire crypto-community once centralised exchanges aren't so heavily relied upon. I'm sorry if you don't approve, because it's happening anyway. No one is forcing you to use it, so I suggest you respect the fact that some people want to. There's nothing you can do to stop them.

If you think BTC's speed and fees are so horrific and are genuinely convinced that Bitcoin is going to end because of Lightning, then clearly it's only prudent for you to sell every single satoshi you own and go find a new community to troll. But we all know you won't, because you're just talking shit, like always.