Quote from: coins4commies on November 22, 2018, 10:01:13 PM

You claimed that everyone already owns their means of production but gave no explanation. You just said that the goals "are already being achieved" without socialism.

I cannot even wrap my head around that yet alone reply to it. I never moved any goal posts. You just misinterpreted where I originally placed them by inssisting I wanted an authoritarian society.

No, you said that I said everyone already owns the means of production. You say you aren't moving goal posts but you literally make 2 statements about what "I say" that contradict themselves right next to each other.

Quote one never happened. I did say "The goals you are describing are ALREADY being achieved... WITHOUT Socialism or Communism."

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Quote from: coins4commies on November 22, 2018, 07:05:51 AM

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(everyone was entitled to work their own fields, raise their own animals and so on)

I really just want to revert to the topic and the answer to the question:

If not by socialism (other than workers owning their means of production), how else can this be achieved?

People are already entitled to "work their own fields, raise their own animals and so on". These things are happening now, under Capitalism.

What you call "misinterpreting" is you ignoring the cognitive dissonance resulting from the gap in your logic and your inability to argue it, and attributing it to my "misunderstanding". I understand, I disagree, and this is me describing how and why you are wrong.