Quote from: pebwindkraft on November 24, 2018, 07:18:42 AM

Quote from: ETFbitcoin on November 24, 2018, 03:01:47 AM

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But if we're talking about off-chain tx/s, then in theory it's unlimited (ignoring on-chain transaction to open and close channel)

I'd like to add two small things:

Lightning is having more than 300 Bitcoins in it's channels, so just to give an imagination, what can happen in volume and size off-chain.
And then there is already the first sidechain ("Liquid"), another on/off chain layer (requires a in and out transaction on the blockchain), which allows for additional transactions outside of the bitcoin main blockchain.

So scaling bitcoin isn't a point of discussion anymore (only for those people, who want to make sure, that the coffee they paid for a dollar is forever visible in a blockchain - for tose people it is better to use bitcoin unlimited, abc or cash chains).

Are you sure? Check this out https://bitcoinfees.info/

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Current Bitcoin transaction fees (in dollars per transaction)
Next Block Fee: fee to have your transaction mined on the next block (10 minutes). $0.36
3 Blocks Fee: fee to have your transaction mined within three blocks (30 minutes). $0.34
6 Blocks Fee: fee to have your transaction mined within six blocks (1 hour). $0.13

If the avg fees are almost 0.40$ now that the tx volume is very low, imagine what can it be if we get back to the same situation as last winter.
Segwit or not, that is what i read from the stats on that site

p.s. maybe you were talking about off-chain only, while the linked site only takes into account on-chain.
But are offchain transactions easy to use for non tech savvies ?
Is that solution already implemented?
And if so, post a link thanks