Quote from: drays on November 27, 2018, 10:26:57 PM

Quote from: Islapdonkey on November 27, 2018, 08:17:24 PM

Quote from: TaylorCZ on November 27, 2018, 06:36:59 PM

Quote from: hous26 on November 27, 2018, 06:05:35 PM

Quote from: Islapdonkey on November 27, 2018, 05:03:41 AM

Again, I will repeat that they still have those opq tokens that were emitted to replace those rejected prl tokens in their possession and they have 27 millions extra tokens with no real allocation for 7 million tokens. Bruno only dumped 3 millions

Someone did receive Opacity tokens for those legit Pearl tokens (emphasis on legit). It just wasnt you because you bought tokens after the snapshot on a risky exchange. The extra tokens generated were never intended to people for transactions after the snapshot.

True. Although I feel sympathy for Islapdonkey's wasted ETH, he should refrain from saying untrue statements. Devs didn't keep the tokens, just someone else got them instead of Islapdonkey. Someone who kept PRL at the time of snapshot. Also he should refrain from using rude words and spamming here, he must have realized it won't help. He is just depreciating tokens that he and other investors still own.

SMFH the ignorance or feign of ignorance been displayed is quite amazing. There is an originally total supply of prl and when a new contract was elicted, that total amount was emitted plus an extra 27 million tokens was added to generate the total amount of opq tokens. So whether you had your token on kucoin, mew, topia, or whatever other eth wallet/dex, the same exact amount of opq was elicited to replace those prl token, thus the new total amount, representing the original prl total amount plus the added 27 million tokens.

So every prl token in existence had the same amount of opq generated. Thus every coin including those that were present prior to the snapshot and post the snapshot all add up to create that initial prl token amount (you do realize that this snapshot didn't entail a broken chain or anything, this is just an eth token, every tokens were still active just as it were prior to the snapshot) So those coin that were rejected had comparable opq emitted to supplement it, just like your prl token that you had prior to snapshot had the same amount of comparable token created to supplement it.

@Islapdonkey, I am not sure you understand what they are trying to tell.

Lets see how this swap was done. I am not 100% sure, but if I understand correctly, it was done the following way:
- developers generated the new tokens;
- the number of those tokens is equal to the number of PRL, that existed at the time of when the announced "snapshot" ETH block 6607247 was generated; plus 27M tokens, but lets forget about them for a moment;
- then they made a list of all the ETH addresses which had PRL tokens at the block 6607247, then manually (or automatically - not sure) sent appropriate number of OPQ tokens to those addresses

If the swap was indeed done that way, it means the person who sold you the PRL on the EtherDelta, has received "your" OPQ tokens instead of you. Those tokens are not at the possession of the developers anymore, but are at the possession of that guy. Basically he kinda "doublespent" them, if we use the term more generally.

That's all the guys above are trying to tell.

Still, I believe it would be correct if Bill Cordes and the team reimburse you in some way using the extra minted tokens, but this is up to their good will, of course. This swap was not handled the very best way (I believe so, but this is not the place to go into deep details), so they could make something to iron things out. But even if we don't try to find who is right and who is wrong, an unhappy investor like you spoils the atmosphere around the project, so it would be beneficial for the project to make him happy, even if it means spending some coins out of their own pockets.

But... I don't think us discussing this here, will help you to convince devs. Not sure if they are looking here at all.

Hey dray, if the doublespent scenario is the case, then sure i get it (like i said, am been forced to go really long and in the rare scenario this actually becomes a major player, most of the admin are us based, so we heading to court, am not one to ever forget, they can make their case) But the current reality is the snapshot was taken a few hrs after their co workers decided to dump on everyone and those of us with buy orders on dex that didn't see their medium/blockfolio post are meant to pay for the mistake of on of their co-workers.

Also, we need to stay on that 27 extra million tokens, you have been around this space for awhile, so how much sense does it make that they would need 7 extra million tokens for grant/reserve, when 20 million is already reserved for salary, it makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially when bruno had indicated that this guys intended to dump and he beat em to it. So it seem like they weren't keep an eye on their co-worker, he fucks all the investors and they reward themselves with 7 million to circumvent any loss they might have taken.

As for my decision to move the discussion here, they made that choice for me by banning me from telegram, not because i was rude or insulting, but because an admin i spoke with felt that i placed pressure on him by trying to verify the info he gave me in pm with the other admins. I also tried to pm bill cordes and received no reply, so i had no choice but to move the conversation to a public forum where info cannot be censored

So, my quips are meant to keep the discussion open for new naive investor who might be interested in project. We currently have an admin group that one of them fucked up and his co-workers can't even identify who the culprit is, so its quite possible that it could be one of the guys crying wolf. Then the aforementioned bad apple states that he acted to beat out his co-workers who intended to do the same thing and this co-workers generated 27 extra million tokens and provided no real reason for 7 million. The whole thing seem fishy as fuck, cos some of us with buy orders on dex are left fucked (due to actions from one of their co-workers) while they created 7 million extra tokens for themselves.