Quote from: ArticMine on December 01, 2018, 10:41:36 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 28, 2018, 09:45:50 PM

Quote from: KeyJockey on November 28, 2018, 07:16:58 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 28, 2018, 04:16:05 PM

I believe the power of Bitcoin and Monero (I see virtually NO other useful blockchain projects) will be stronger than the power of traditional finance. And as the "big boys" pick it up to "fix" it, control, it etc they will be changed more than it is.

God I hope that is true, I believe it too BUT remains to be seen.

Been in a discussion lately with a good friend (only real world person I know who's also into crypto) and his confidence has been badly shaken by the speed and depth of this CryptoWinter period we're in now.

I still believe, however.

Question remains, you said "bitcoin and monero" and XMR of course but... WHICH "bitcoin"??

I think there are a few other possible worthy contenders too... DigiByte appears possibly the last genuine opportunity to buy ANY "real crypto" under a penny.

Oh, maybe even Doge too, LOL.

But not much else, really.

Either it'll all fail or one of these, XMR BTC BCH DGB DOGE (any others?) -OR- something that does NOT EXIST yet... will prevail.

P.S. {Edit} Forgot left out Litecoin in there... only on the *theory* that MAYBE if BTC really becomes "gold for bankers" and $50 transaction fees to move $1 Million per coin, then little-brother LTC tags along becoming as the transaction-purpose coin. This is the THEORY I believe Litecoiners cling to, but... anyone really believe it will actually play out this way??? I have no clue so don't attack me on it, just sayin'... LOL

When it comes to cryptowinter. Yeah it's hard. And this one has been soul crushing to me at times. And I do not think it is quite over. I am a terrible trader, so I do not trade. That is not why I am interested in BTC and XMR. But look at my join date (not a brag... if only I was smart enough then to buy the 5000 BTC I considered buying on my porch when it was ~$2.). I have seen several of these winters.

As to the "Which is the real BTC?". I have an EXTREMELY strong option on this. There is ONE Bitcoin. And it is BTC. We could go into the depth of reasons why, but it's not for this thread. Craig Wright is a conman. Ver is a troubled narcissistic idealist. And for different reasons they have tried to wrestle the title of Bitcoin away from BTC and have created two centralized shitcoins and done great damage to the reputation of crypto. Could I be wrong? Sure... and I will pay dearly for it if I am. My bet is where my belief is.

Here's the thing. Decentralized, permissionless, censorship resistant money is either going to be successful or not. If it is not then we have seen the peak. It will never have another all time high. BCHABC, BCHSV, XRP, ETH, ALL the ICOs, and virtually ALL the ALTS are *NOT* decentralized, permissionless, censorship resistant money.

But if it is successful then then I think next upswing (whether its in a month or 5 years) will be so shocking that the average public will not believe it. The mechanics of the system and the unprecedented nature of this invention will cause a most breathtaking effect when they kick in.

And Monero is the only complimentary blockchain that *is* Decentralized, permissionless, censorship resistant money but offers something Bitcoin CANNOT. That is an opaque blockchain. Bitcoin will never do that. Layer two can be as MimbleWimbled as they like... but layer one will ALWAYS be transparent.

Monero also stands a chance of failure. Moreso than bitcoin by an order of magnitude in my opinion. But it also stands a chance to be a continued success in a way no other altcoin can even touch.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm556

Monero offers something else that Bitcoin does not; namely an adaptive block weight and tail minimum emission that allows for scaling on the main chain. This lack of on chain scaling lies at the heart of the BCH split from XBT and the further split of BSV from BCH. When something as simple as increasing the transactions per second that a blockchain requires a a highly controversial and political hard fork it is hardly surprising to see the splits, wars and personality clashes we have in Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Satoshi Vision.

On another note Bitcoin has already failed since it cannot meet the design purpose in the Satoshi paper namely a peer to peer cash like digital currency. This is primarily due to the fixed block size.

Edit: Litecoin has the same problem as Bitcoin with scaling; namely the fixed block size and falling lock reward.

Hi ArticMine, Bitcoin SV just want to increase the number of transactions and transaction fees without a blocksize limit. What do you think is wrong with this approach?