Quote from: ATMD on December 08, 2018, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: Astargath on December 08, 2018, 11:01:19 AM

Quote from: ATMD on December 08, 2018, 10:47:12 AM

Quote from: Astargath on December 08, 2018, 10:05:15 AM

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

Yes, but they believe their experiences were real, they don't need us to believe them. They know what they saw, we don't know what they saw. We don't believe them, we call them "delusional"

The definition of faith would be never having any experience of any sort and still believe in God, that is faith. I think it is completely different.

Whatever you want to call it, it is not the way to the truth, clearly. I mean how many people claim they have seen ghosts? Aliens? Demons, etc etc. They all believe their experiences are real, all religious people believe they saw their god and yet not all gods can exist at the same time so we at least know some of them have to be wrong. What's the way to determine the truth, then? No way, personal experiences are useless.