Quote from: ATMD on December 08, 2018, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: Astargath on December 08, 2018, 11:01:19 AM

Quote from: ATMD on December 08, 2018, 10:47:12 AM

Quote from: Astargath on December 08, 2018, 10:05:15 AM

The fact is that god is not a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything, it's just religion. It's by definition something that you have to believe in based on faith, not evidence, which is what everyone does. Faith is not a good path to the truth, that's also a fact.

In my opinion, the experiences with God are not necessarily based on faith or belief. Some people have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real. To them, they don't need to believe in God, they know God exists.

''have experienced true, personal, life changing miracles that prove to them God is real.'' This is by definition faith. It's called delusion. How do they know it's true? They don't, there is no evidence, therefore it's faith.

Yes, but they believe their experiences were real, they don't need us to believe them. They know what they saw, we don't know what they saw. We don't believe them, we call them "delusional"

The definition of faith would be never having any experience of any sort and still believe in God, that is faith. I think it is completely different.

They are delusional because other people don't see what they see. So by the definition, they are delusional. Many people in the mental wards see things that others don't see.