Quote from: fkjnfndjn on December 12, 2018, 07:58:24 PM

Quote from: Regulater on December 12, 2018, 06:43:31 PM

Quote from: fkjnfndjn on December 12, 2018, 12:18:46 PM

Quote from: Regulater on December 12, 2018, 04:31:19 AM

Do you have factual information or are you just guesstimating.

This is a pretty ironic statement from you considering this discussion involves a claim by you for which you have provided no factual information.

Provides no factual information? Primary sources are actually listed as factual information. If someone was at the beach and said it, that makes them a source, not a picture of it. Those are all Primary sources, but maybe you missed that in elementary school. Ironic how 5th grade education can destroy your post.

It has been stated in multiple chinese chats so that would be primary and secondary sources, and GPUHoarder knows about X16R ASICs is a primary person source.

The company that has them or people using them will not state information about them as Tron has stated he will take ASICs offline.

The difference is in the level of proof that different folks in the community require to reach the level of concern (apologies if that's not the right word) you seem to be at. It appears that "Chinese chats" and a post about hashrates for bitstreams that are not available to be downloaded are enough for you to be concerned ..... for others it is not.

Not sure why you felt the need to descend into personal attacks, but that does seem to be your discussion method with people who do not agree with you from what I've seen on here and discord. So be it.

Lets see. FPGAs are publicly available, but you believe there are no x16r bitstreams. Okay then. As you cannot counter again, because you believe sources of people that have seen and heard of the unit are not sources or proof. Also no the chinese chat groups are not on about FPGA Bitstreams, they talk about a lot of things. Lyra ASICs were talked about them in advance, and many other ASICs in advance and less than 3 months later public posts come out about these ASICs. I remember people saying Lyra wont have ASICs, and so on, when i stated they were already talking about running them in the groups.

For others its not? Inside of the RVN Whitepaper it specifically stated ASIC resistance, and Tron specifically stated they will fork away ASICs. Monero had similar things, and then later found that there were plenty of ASIC farms when the Monero team was denying ASICs. I guess everyone is fine with Zooko moments where they claim ASIC resistance then accept it. X16R is not a hard algo to make an ASIC for, it was just the question of whether its worth it or not. Literally when X16R came out there was already discussions about how easy an ASIC would be done if someone had the funding.

"Discussion method with people who do not agree"? Are you asking about the person who didnt believe there were even FPGA bitstreams, or are you talking about your lack of 5th grade education and understanding of sources that you attempted to attack me with? Where you tried to act like a smart ass, but didnt have the simplest understanding of what you were even talking about.

Quote from: fkjnfndjn on December 12, 2018, 08:32:48 PM

Quote from: Regulater on December 12, 2018, 06:48:03 PM

Maybe i need a tinfoil hat on to continue this argument.

You don't have to argue at all, on here or discord.

Just write the code that changes RVN to counter whatever you think the threat is, and submit it as a pull request.
You can even put comments in the code explaining your position.

Then the community will agree with you by running your code .... or not.

The method you are currently using - repeatedly referring to discussions in Chinese chat rooms and web posts with FPGA hashrates - and then replying to folks who don't share your level of concern with "LOLs" and astonishment that they can't see what you clearly see, doesn't seem to be working for you, so you might want to give the suggestion above a try. Or alternatively, sell your RVN and move on to another coin and community.

Yes i am going to go ahead and spend time to update RVN with no reward. Where the Developers of this coin are being paid by Medici to develop it and follow their supposed "Whitepaper". Then hope for 80% hashrate to approve the code when they had a hard time getting the Asset Layer approved. Yeah someone is just going to randomly do the work that the devs get paid to do.

Maybe english is not your first language so you have a hard time understanding? Do not worry, i offloaded all of my RVN at 900-950 Sats. I am not going to sit here and hold RVN when its known it will go down.

Its funny how you say you have seen me in the Discord, then are judgemental about my actions in discord? Hmm, thats funny as i have been in the Discord since March and have helped many people with mining and other various things too. But lets hide behind your random username on Bitcointalk to try and talk bad even though you lack a 5th grade understanding on basic things.

Its funny because you know prevention is better than stopping it after it occurs. If there are credible sources like GPUHoarder, OGAC, and others along with chats about the ASICs in private mining groups, then you can pretty much confirm that X16R has an ASIC. Its not a complex thing to create mulitple ASIC chips and run a sequencer, etc. There is no ASIC resistance if you believe the Algo is the resistance just because it is random and has multiple algos. Thats like saying 100 dollars is change resistant because you have so many different coin and bill combinations that have to come together to break it. ASIC resistance does not come from randomizing algos it comes from a belief that you will remove ASICs when they are created or believed to be created. Or perform something like Monero after nearly the same thing that is occurring with RVN and perform planned forks to prevent or detour ASIC creation.