Quote from: bobq on December 14, 2018, 01:51:46 PM

Quote from: bittybox on December 14, 2018, 12:52:10 PM

Quote from: tonych on December 14, 2018, 11:57:42 AM

Quote from: CryptoRobert on December 14, 2018, 10:49:41 AM

Quote from: tonych on December 14, 2018, 10:16:04 AM

Quote from: bittybox on December 13, 2018, 11:36:31 PM

Quote from: altcoinb on December 13, 2018, 08:48:37 PM

The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed

I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid. But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks. Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

It was abused "to some extent" until it was just about the few bucks of the attestation, but now that it extends to the lottery worth GBs for thousands of $ the abuse is reaching a too high and not any more acceptable extent IMHO.
Moreover, to accept this form of abusive behavior would surely encourage others to do the same. Now that it has been exposed, everyone knows exactly how to do that. And many would copy this trick. Do you really want this to happen? After a few draws you would end up with just the abusers taking part to the game.

Those addresses are excluded from the draw. Same about a few more addresses with obvious signs of abuse.

I see two fundamental problems:

1. So people find other ways to exploit the real-name attestation without causing attentation.
2. You will have to act like a dictator (centralization) deciding yourself which address are abusive and which one not.

1. At least it will be harder for them. If your logic would be applied in society we should abolish the police and the judicial system all together since smart thieves may find anyway a way to steal and rob without being caught. Well, if you like that then go to an empty island and create your ideal society where even the most stupid thieves will have the right to steal to others.

2. I have some news for you: Byteball has started as a 100% centralised network where Tony had all the bytes and all the balls and he has been distributing them for a year now in the way which he thinks best to achieve max decentralisation. Not all choices may have been the best ones but they have honestly tried to be the best ones. So all the bytes which still have to be distributed are still centralised in Tony's hands by definition, there is no surprise in that. As for the reference to "dictator", all I can say is that you seem to have a quite confused interpretation of reality.

Quote from: bittybox on December 14, 2018, 01:04:46 PM

So we are 1 hour after the first Draw Airdrop and I have found that points have been manipulated.

Bad formulation. Possibly the team has instead tried to FIX the manipolations done by those who have tried to abuse the system. And we can only be greatful for that. Unless, of course, we are the abusers.

Its really stupid to compare 1. rule of an airdrop with how the entire society works.
The easiest way to prevent the "real-name attestation" abuse is not to bonus them and to find other possibilitys to prevent that high stake owners get all of the airdrops. Yes its a challenge, but there are plenty of possibilitys in a relative small environment to be tested.

So until now byteball have had a fair and transparent distribution. But what now happens just seems like arbitrary measures set by someone.