Quote from: Yaplatu on December 18, 2018, 10:36:15 AM

Putin tu as carrément Theymos qui la merit en plus ... Je suis déçu Cry

Dommage que je parle mal anglais pour répondre à ce gars qui dit que la France c'est le nirvana, mais pourtant il se casse, c'est vraiment un bon lui...

T'inquiete pas mon lapin, tu peux me repondre en Francais ici

Quote from: JohnUser on December 18, 2018, 10:15:56 AM

Quote from: cestmoi on December 17, 2018, 10:43:16 PM

The demands of the gilet jaunes are just a joke.

Your (stupid) summaries is the real joke !

You have leave France,stay away.

Ne t'en fait pas, lidée de revenir et dêtre paye une misere, d'avoir des greves tous les mois et de devoir parler politique avec mon chauffeur de taxi ne m'interesse pas trop.

Quote from: kenzawak on December 18, 2018, 10:44:44 AM

Quote from: cestmoi on December 17, 2018, 10:43:16 PM

Then you work for 40 years (age 65) and earn 1300 euros per months. Obviously you don't pay for hospital, you dont pay for schooling of your children either.
Then, because you worked for 40 years you want to have for the next 25 / 30 years (until your death) 1200 euros per month (almost as much as what you were earning) paid by the government while not paying for your very expensive end of life medical treatment.

WTF

So much of what you just said is wrong (and not just morally wrong, just completely wrong).
So I suppose you're gonna kill yourself before you become a burden for others ?
Or else, you're gonna work until you die ?

Please chose option 1.

I can't believe people merited this idiot.

L'idiot n'est pas forcement celui que tu crois.
N'as tu pas lu mon premier message, je suis d'accord avec énormément de points des gilets jaunes ( 2/3/4/6/7/9/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18/20/21/24/25/27/28/31/33/34/35/38/39/40/41/42).
Mais il y a aussi beaucoup de points qui ne tiennent pas la route. (1/5/10/22/26/29/30/32/36/37)
J'aurais rajoute 100 balles et un mars a leur liste.

Regarde la reponse de F2b :

Quote from: F2b on December 18, 2018, 06:30:37 PM

Well... you're right mates, but we must admit that not everything on that list is doable.
You know there's already a pretty huge budget deficit (like almost every country (thanks FIATs ! would it happen if they all used Bitcoin ?)). Some points of the list are realisable without spending much money, but some others would be really expensive, and if it costs money on a side, you need to take some money on the other side (with taxes). (PS : I'm pretty clumsy explaining this, just read the previous post, it's better Grin

(Edit : and the post after this one too))
Some people thinks that we should have more taxes and more help for people needing it. Some others thinks the opposite : reduce taxes but give less to the people in need. Both points of views have good arguments, but we will probably never be able to make these people reach agreement, unfortunately.

However, if we put aside the money-related revendications, then there are some propositions that are really, really interesting.

Last thing, I like pretty much criticizing the government and its decisions, but I don't think we would do the job better than them. (I mean, on some points we would, but in average we wouldn't.) If we want to have a democracy really working, we have to build a brand new system from zero, and involve everyone in it. But even with this, there would still be alot of problems, I'm pretty conviced of that.

ou celle de Asche :

Quote from: asche on December 18, 2018, 06:33:13 PM

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1. Housing for all homeless people => nice thought. I'd be down for it. But this means more taxes, which is what yellow vests started demonstrating against.

2. A more progressive tax system => Ok good idea. Steps are too steep.
3. Minimum wage of 1,300/month => Why not, but where do we find the money? Also the purchasing power in France has been steadily increasing last 25 years...
4. Measures to protect small businesses (stop building malls, no more big box stores), more parking spaces in downtowns => WTF ? The idea is to move people to public transportation, not to make more room for more cars.
5. Government program for insulating homes & other buildings => Sure, with your money?
6. Big businesses (McDonalds, Google, Amazon...) should pay big taxes & small businesses pay small ones => actually yes, but it's already the case, minus when they transfer they profits to ireland or another paradise.
7. Same health insurance system for all (including self-employed) => It is already almost the case. You can get most necessary care for free.
8. Keep retirement system the way it is now (working people pay the pensions of retirees) => Ok so more old people, longer life expectancy, so where do we get the money? You live longer, you work longer. Period.
9. No more increases on fuel taxes => So fuck environment? Fuck what we voted regarding carbon emissions?
10. No old age pensions below 1,200/month => Again, nice thought, but where do we get the money? The movement arose because taxes are too high. Basically this is another "just increase taxes"
11. All elected officials should earn French median income + reimbursement of travel costs if justified + meal tickets => Why not. But then we would have noone that is even close to having the needed brains to run the country. Real bad idea
12. All salaries & government benefits must be indexed on inflation => No. The salaries have actually been cut down last years.
13. Protect French industry, outlaw delocalizations => So that we loose any chance of being competitive? This means losing marketshares, losing BIP, and having pricier products in France, you wouldn't be able to affort anymore
14. End the European system whereby workers from other European countries are paid the lower salaries and benefits of their respective countries rather than French wages and benefits. => This is up to them to accept working for that wage. Some people are actually willing to do what it takes to get paid.
15. Job security. Larger businesses should be obliged to give more employees permanent contracts (CDI) => No better way to kill their envy to offer jobs in France. Looking at 2 figures unemployment.
16. Create a French industry of hydrogen powered automobiles => Air Liquide is world leader in Hydrogen. We might be getting there. But then how to produce the needed electricity? More nuclear power? We aren't even able anymore to build new nuclear plants (cf flamanville). And everyone gets crazy when the word wind farm is pronounced. This is you guys
17. End the politics of austerity => austerity in France ?!
18. Better treatment for asylum seekers. Provide lodging, food, security & ... => YES YES YES PLEASE
18. (cont.) ... education for minors. Work with the UN to build camps in many countries to hold asylum seekers until their papers are processed
19. Accompany those who are not granted asylum back to the countries they came from
20. Create a program for integrating immigrants. Living in France entails becoming French (certificate program in French language, history, civics)
21. Maximum salary fixed at 15,000/month => Again that would kill the drive of some people who are helping the french economy strive.
22. Jobs for the unemployed => Ok let's make some jobs. lol, wonder how since you want to scare all the companies away

Uh-oh, missed one up thread 😩
Heres the one I missed, should have been number 18:

18. Treat the causes that are forcing people to migrate.
24. Increase disability pensions
25. Rent control. More social housing and in particular housing for college students, contractors, gig economy workers, people without steady jobs
26. Outlaw the sale of French public property (dams, airports...) => I'm pretty happy France got out of Alstom
27. Allocate much more money to the justice system, the police and the armed forces. Pay police officers overtime or allow them to take the corresponding hours off => Money from where?
28. The totality of sums collected at toll booths should go to maintaining the countries highways & roads...
28. (cont.) ... and to road security.
29. As the prices of natural gas & electricity have risen since these sectors were privatized, we demand the re-nationalization of these industries and the lowering of prices
30. An immediate end to the closings of smaller train lines,...
30. (cont.) ... post offices, schools and maternity wards
31. Well-being for our elderly. Outlaw for-profit elderly care. The time of gray gold has come to an end
32. A maximum of 25 students per class from nursery school through high school => money
33. More public financing of psychiatry
34. Write a popular referendum system into the Constitution. Create an on-line referendum site where citizens can propose new laws, overseen by an independent body. If a proposition receives over 700,000 votes it should be introduced...
34. (cont.) into Congress, accordingly completed, amended and discussed before all citizens are allowed to vote on it (within exactly one year of obtaining the 700,000 signatures)
35. Return to a presidential mandate of 7 years (currently its 5) with interim elections of reps
36. Retirement for all at 60 years old and at 55 for people in professions that are hard on the body (construction work...) => lol. See above
37. Extension of public aid to parents paying for daycare for children up until 10 years of age
38. Incentivize transportation of merchandise by rail - Yes please. However difficult on the french infrastructure right new. Did a research paper on this one.
39. No withholding of income tax = wut ?
40. Presidents should no longer receive a salary for life => agreed
41. Outlaw the tax paid by shopkeepers each time a client pays by credit or debit card => Ok but if they don't pay it, you pay your credit card 200/year. Have fun.
42. Tax kerosene, air and maritime fuels Yes please, then again don't whine if your easyjet is suddenly too expensive for you

@yaplatu :
Rien que la revendication numero 1 :
Des logements pour les sans abris. Non mais allo quoi.
J'utilise 15% de mon salaire pour payer et distribuer la soupe populaire dans le pays ou je vis (et toi ? le fais tu ?).
En france n'importe qui de l'union europeenne peut venir et se declarer sans abris.
Il y a deja un probleme de traffic humain a Paris avec les Roumains et autre slaves qui sont reduit en escalavage par des macs forces a faire du pick-pocket et medicite. Si tu leur un logement gratuis tu penses pas que des centaines de milliers vont venir vu qu'ils ont le droit de le faire.
On leur donne un logement a tous ? 200 millions de sans abris en France,
Il n'y a pas de solution simple, mais meme toi avec ton cerveau de franchouillard tu dois bien voir que ca ne peut pas marcher.