Quote from: franky1 on December 18, 2018, 09:56:10 PM

Quote from: Vigme86 on December 18, 2018, 09:27:00 PM

Hi all,

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firstly segwit does not actually offer 4mb true open utility. thats the fake promise of a 2015 scaling debate

secondly if your thinking of keeping the same computer for 10 years. then i feel sorry for your computer in regards to future other software from microsoft, apple and any other software available (unrelated to bitcoin) that wont work well on a computer thats over 10 years.(most people upgrade their pc's every 4-6 years on average

thirdly having millions of people running a full node would actually cause more of a bottleneck than having ~10k-100k used by merchants that NEED to monitor funds of thousands of people paying them each day. rather than home users that may only get paid once a month.

those only getting paid once a month and only wanting to use bitcoin just to buy groceries to be delivered next day, can just use spv wallets. not everyone needs to be a full node and monitor ~2000 tx every 10 minutes if they are only personally involved in 1 tx a day/week

if you are a business NEEDING to be monitoring more than just a couple addresses. then you probably for other business purposes have your computers on a 4 year tax deductibles set-up where you replace equipment. and you probably hav a business internet plan. rather than a home user plan

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lastly LN is a separate network to be used for multiple coins. meaning it will require once established properly. masternodes that monitor multiple chains. thus making LN hardware requirements to be a "full node"(factory/hub/watchtower) compared to just using bitcoin and only using a bitcoin node to make transaction on the bitcoin network

First of all, thanks for your reply, but some of your answers I simply do not understand quite a lot.

Firstly: I'm not a technician, 4 MB for single block will never be reached ? I believe you, anyway it seems to me you're turning around the point,
that is in the next years blockchain will increase way more than 50 GB/year, size will be around 1-2 TB and common users will simply cease to run full nodes.

~~Furthermore biggest block ever mined right now is above 2 MB, so where is the limit ?~~
EDIT: You've already answered at this in a previous reply, anyway there have been a 2.26 MB, hence 2.1 MB is not the limit

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/00000000000000000021868c2cefc52a480d173c849412fe81c4e5ab806f94ab

Secondly: It's not about pc upgrade but hard-disk size increase rate. It seems you're confident in ten years we'll have 16 TB hard-disk as standard, I'm not.

Thirdly: I simply do not understand this point, it seems quite in contradiction with a peer to peer electronic cash system.
You're saying common users (i.e. people which are not using bitcoin for transactions on a daily basis) should not run a full-node, while
vast majority of bitcoiners on the internet are saying exactly the opposite, like for instance aantonop here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX0Yrv-6jVs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX0Yrv-6jVs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX0Yrv-6jVs

Why should million full nodes will cause a bottleneck ?

Lastly: I do not understand this point, I'm trying to read it again later.