Quote from: SaltySpitoon on December 19, 2018, 04:05:33 AM

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 19, 2018, 03:58:27 AM

I dont trade ever. This is principle.
Let's not focus on extremes that to me bend the trust system out of any use. I mean if i saw lots of ppl with red trust for lemons then I would disregard the rating altogether Im sure most would too.

I will have him explain in full the reason so I can demonstrate there is altenative motive here. If he come with something valid that I can not fully rebut then let's see.

If he fails to produce a valid reason then he must be removed as a start to making the trust system a sensible rating indicative of how much you can trust someone or how truly undesirable someone should be view for presenting facts and stats.

You can not try to use it as a bully tactic to silence people who analyse stats and cause others to analyse futher.

You can not try to concoct a fantastically improbable story to give red trust to someone when their is clear other motive for doing it. That is dishonest and not part of a trust system.

All I did was read the claim and the reference link, and came to the conclusion that you were left negative feedback for something related to your behavior, which isn't trust abuse as long as its subjectively accurate. The subjective part is decided by anyone who reads the claim and either agrees or disagrees.

This story being produced is obviously nonsense based on observable events that can not be altered now which is clearly unfair. I will demonstrate this and bring into question for review of all persons to determine if this type of behaviour is fitting of someone having DT trust.

Another thing I just realised suchmoon claims this has nothing to do with any merit nonsense right

Look at the bottom of marlborozas post right before he left red trust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.msg48750243#msg48750243

obviously furious about loyce stats showing him getting most from the least amount of people. This is nothing to do with me I never asked loyce to present a top 50 removed I said 300 so he would not have stood out on that so much. CLEAR MOTIVE CLEARLY WHAT IS UPSETTING HIM AND ANOTHER OBSERVABLE BULLSHIT FROM SUCHMOON SAYING nothing to do with any merit nonsense??

If I am told by the highest authority this kind of thing is acceptable and encouraged in the trust system especially by those chose as DT members then I will accept it. Until then no chance people can be allowed to observably create obvious lies to gain excuse for negative trust. If that is abuse or not I will leave to the highest authority to say clearly.

But I am hoping to bring in as many people as possible to see what kind of people we are dealing with here. However anything they say must stand up to close scrutiny and be based on evidence they can produce.

The story so far is so completely ridiculous and improbable that if this results in red trust being called a fair call I will be very surprised.

First I wish to hear his detailed reason for leaving this red trust. So I can analyse it for truth and factual basis based on what observably took place. Then I will like to hear honest opinions based on sensible presentable and observable fact regarding this specific case.

Also additionally I see doctoring posts listed as my crime???

look at what is removed - this is just me editing as I go and the important part about this red herring presented by suchmoon is

How does that even fit in to anything I am refuting I said that malboroza is misquoting marlboroza never mentions anything about that part in his post so how is this related.

Suchmoon clearly quotes

Describing disturbing fantasies of his own and pretending to quote me when I never said that at all.

Malboroza never quoted anything about the part I edited ? this is nonsense like the rest of the abuse of the trust system. Another fake claim of deliberately doctoring that is completely untrue and not even related. I can edit as I want I never even noticed he was claiming some sneaky doctoring of my post as if it was going to weigh on this too.

Anyone else commenting needs to bring full evidence for any claims at the time not say they will provide them later on and vanish or say no I wont bother now .

I wonder what twist of this suchmoon account malboroza is going to spin here.

Full account of events are here. On a new post created about the same stuff they say only i want to keep going on about and spamming when they keep creating new threads 2 now address at me specifically after I already said on this thread I am happy to stop talking about it and left it there. Even let marboroza have his last word on it since he needs that nearly as much as such moon.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081670.msg48652842#msg48652842 even prior to that on several occasions i have said was happy with the presentation lets end the conversation about it......

Then what happens 2 new threads about it spring up naming me in the op or even title .... then when I defend these accusations and misreprentations of what i have said they say I am going on about it and trolling them over and over? Not that ever presenting raw data is trolling.

I ask them ever to present just 1 incidence of me stating something provably false ..... where is it?? bring it here now.

All the time they are free to say things like

"most pre merit legends are spammers" obviously why we must deleted them for copy and past 4 years ago perm ban

and

it is stupid of me to suggest some 99.93% of the board are capable of making posts as good or better than some of the 0.13%.

How can you allow such people to even get into any position of power? with such mad views.. This place is going mad ..where people like lauda get to have a trust sheet like satans master and get to stay a member and go on as if there is nothing wrong let come lecture others on their lies and honesty then never produce any examples ....and then get people like The Pharmacist saying (who must have read lauda trust sheet) that he does not understand enough to know if lauda is really bad or not but is still sad lauda is not DT trust and sad he is not a mod. Yeah sounds like a good position to put lauda in. Perhaps that is why he is removed already.

These are your top merited persons who start gain positions of power here?? Is this really happening. Get these people out of these DT lists and get some people who are objective in. If they the next ones fail to be provably objective get them out and get someone else until you find people that want to find the truth and make optimally fair decisions on all information available. Anyone making a bad call that is certainly based on false charges must be removed if they refuse to put their case in detail forward or remove the neg trust.

Same for people getting good trust if that is proven to be bought or some scheme and not really deserving needs removed and even ban them this is worse for scamming than copy and paste 4 years ago.

Surely I can not be the only person here noticing this is not looking great . I have had people even tell me they wish they could stick their necks out more to speak up for what they believe too but are scared of DT red trust these are legends who are worried to speak out . I understand and do not even blame them. Some of them are needing a clean sheet. I will never bring their names forward but I thank them for their support.

So anyway where is malboroza to polish up suchmoons account of what happened and why I deserve my red trust for correctly telling him he misquoted me. I will repeat i never said what he is claiming at all. Review the entire thread yourselves. He is mistaken he made false assumptions and I think such moon did too. Now i get red trust for their mistakes. I want those red marks off my account or credible and provable reason they should be there based on this nonsense story and silly video such moon made containing weird accusation of some shady rewrite and something obviously I said because it still there but is not even offensive at all.

Both of these need to be removed from DT trust if they do not stop with these crack pot stories when it is there in black and white what was said by whom and when on the other thread.

Malboroza quoted nothing that could be a disturbing fantasy other than the ass thing and such moon quotes me objecting to this distrubing fantasy of malboroza which I correctly claim I never said . How can he try to pass off I was referring to anything else or how when he quoted that he was referring to anything else. Then his proof I did say it was a line about cant wait until suchmoon and malborazo gets theirs done (some other guy was taking away other top cyclers top 10 donators only and observing 100;s and 100;s merits vanashing from lauda and others just from 10 ppl) then as soon as I said that as if by chance malboroza rolls out red trust for apparently an obvious quoting error on his part.

There is no other plausible explanation. Or if there is then I want to hear the details step by step with no possible logical rebuttal from me that others can check out on that thread.