Quote from: mikeywith on December 24, 2018, 12:50:25 AM

I supported your case against the negative trust you got from marlboroza and many others did, including some other DT members who gave you a positive trust as a counter for marlboroza's trust, or at least supported your claim, as it was very obvious that you did not deserve a negative trust just because someone thought you were "trolling" regardless of the fact that you were trolling or not.

and marlboroza removed the negative trust as i see now on your profile, which is probably the result of people standing up to you.

but with that being said , i think you have taken this too far personal, you became so doubtful by implenting the theory of conspiracy in your brain.

I understand that your goal and intention might be so kind and innocent. but you are also over-reacting and accusing some people who may have nothing to do with the gang that you are trying to implement in your own mind.

while i agree with some of the parts you say, and i think everybody knows that

1- some members are probably abusing the trust system.
2- some members are probably abusing the merit system.
3- some members are only here for money.

My grandma never had a computer and she can bet the house on these points.

but in general, it's not as bad as you or any other person would imagine.

I recently joined the forum, and only started to be active last month, i ranked up to full member straight away , got almost 100 merits in a month and i know for sure that i can easily rank up to Legendary member or at least get the merits needed before i had spent a whole year around, because I know i don't shit post and many people find my posts to be helpful.

non of the DT members ever bothered me, in fact i was scammed once and Ognasty helped out in my case and was very responsive, the Mods of the boards where i usually post are very helpful and kind.

there are for sure some bad DT members, some bad Mods, some bad legendary members and indeed some bad in everything in life.

I might be new to this forum , but i would assume i am older than you, and here is my advice, for any thing you type, you either have to enjoy it or, make money of it. so if you are enjoying launching this war ( apparently you ain't getting paid) i suggest you start it a step by step, take one person at the time, provide whatever proof you have against their actions.

there is no point of deploying a war against a dozen of a mysterious gang that may not exist in the first place.

Good post and I am glad you made the effort to make it. However I am unable to merit it at this point. I will though in future if it is proven to make my post redundant and demonstrate it is of zero merit value. However I expect all merits removed from your post if it turns out to be a bunch of words that does not rebut my post nor even tackle the prime points I make.

This post is a prime example of what exactly I am talking about. So either people in meta are unable to understand what it is that I am saying or there is something very strange about meta in deed. Or that I am having problems with understanding how to interpret observable events. So let's find out.

Let me accept as I am open minded then you COULD be correct about some things. Let me then find the optimal and true answer by having a sensible debate. If you are correct then I will retract my post and put a big RED statement that I am wrong at the top.

Or will I here now provide reasonable and corroborating evidence that this is a post that gains a bunch of merit for something that tries to refute something that is clearly provable and observable???

and therefore not only should it not get any merit it should actually get negative merit for trying to convince people of something that is clearly NOT true.

I mean when someone clearly breaks down a system and tells you how it observable operates and the dangers of it operating like this and the possible ways to improve then another post tries to claim that it is a conspiracy and the system is fine the way (with some minor abuse perhaps) it is then does not even attempt to provide any reason why my proposed solutions would not bring improvement then that counter post to my own is indeed negative post and stands in the path to moving to a more optimal solution.

let me find out because if it is that kind of post I would expect that adds serious weight to my argument and demonstrates that you need to bring the exact changes that I have specified.

Each person should remove your merits for that post if you can not prove what you have said is correct relating to my post. In adding merit to a post that is negative and not adding merit to a post that is correct and pushes towards improving systems he demonstrates are not only open to corruption but are being used by a gang to stifle free speech......that is a system that needs to be fixed or removed. With that in mind all merit scores would be null and void and any meaning read into them should be struck away. To even consider more systems built upon a broken system like that is not going to go well.

So anyway let me break your post down so I we together can examine it..

1. Explain my conspiracy theory in detail so that I can see where I am going wrong and why it is a conspiracy theory not something clearly observable. Which part of my theory is conspiratorial exactly?

2. Do you think giving the people that control rank (merit) and trust (dt trust) therefore total control over PAID2POST and trading - without giving them clear criteria they have to stick to and no come back for not sticking to it is a good idea. You can not see how that could be a huge error that can lead to them controlling peoples free speach here. You can not make that connection?

3. Do you think that in light of the fact that the people controlling the ability of others to participate in PAID2POST and (trading) are obviously then able to control the competition to the "exclusive" and highly paid spots that they say NO WAY IN HELL WILL THEY STOP GETTING PAID2POST WITH is ... the fact they can control their own competition with no clear mandate is not a problem you say?

4. Do you think a situation where people are telling me they support my view but are scared to comment is a situation on a board that should be allowed to exist? and that means nothing because you could power up your scores here?

5. Can you list these people I am over reaching in my mind with? I mean obviously there are some very GOOD people in these systems because some have countered the unfair red trust and also helped me also they have helped the bullied person in my first example. However I am not saying All persons in the "control systems" have to be BAD. This is not the point.

The gang knows exactly who I am referring to. This though is not the point the fact that there are no criteria and there is no real comeback for abuse in these systems (not all need to abuse) that control peoples ability to PAID2POST their rates get they are paid and also trading to a degree of course allows them to control posting behaviour with financial carrot and stick can you demonstrate how that is not true.

YOU CAN NOT POSSIBLY ARGUE AGAINST THIS OR CALL IT A CONSPIRACY. Do you not understand this is clearly observable? Do you not see that having a system where a tiny group get to decide who can be PAID2POST and trade whilst also wanting to be PAID2POST at the highest rates is not an optimal system ? please break this down for me and not just say i powered up the other month so its all okay and some how you believe that is refutes ANYTHING that I have said. It means absolutely nothing there can be various reasons for your specific example that does nothing to refute my statements that I have formed by examining how things actually work and having people tell me they are scared to post what they like.

6. Can you find some negatives and post them here now to the improvements/solutions I have provided in my post. Detail them all for me now. I will like to explore these most of all.

7. Can you tell me how this war started and how you conclude I started it and detail it here for me to understand. Do you mean raising factual important points is starting a war over nothing?

8. I will then if anyone wants drill it down post by post and detail what I say each person has done I was trying to not make it become about individuals and keep it at an overall system level discussion where the biggest changes could be discussed and the biggest improvements made.

9. Are you in agreement that these statements are true.

a. - most pre merit legends are spammers?
b. - that I am an idiot and incorrect to believe that some of the 99.93% of current posters (not top200 merit hoarders) are able to make posts as good if not better than some of the 0.13% of the board (top 200 merit hoarders)

10 - Do you think we should be critical of people coming here to milk this board like a cash cow and monetise their posts whilst we are making the most money via PAID2POST?

11. Can you tell me the what % of your merits came from bitcoin discussion or alt coin discussion and which communities here you belong to which enable you to give a comprehensive view of how merits are being deployed over a wide and varied group of members here to compare to your own experience. Do you believe if your specific example somehow refutes any of the claims that i have made and if so please present this case in detail.

12. My motive is simple I want fairness for all and equal opportunity for all hence why I love all projects that further an end to end decentralised and trustless arena where this is an unavoidable consequence.

I mean surely for my post to be of "lower value 0 merit" than your own your post (multiple merit) that seems to present rebuttal to my own must be able to prove that my points are incorrect and that yours are correct and that your post is pushing toward a more optimal solution than my own.

I have nothing against you and you sound like a very nice and reasonable individual. Even very fair in your assessment of my situation and you are CORRECT to recognise some of those inside these control systems should be there. None of those refute anything I have said though and I am sure they were able to recognise my post is not pointed at anything they have done wrong either. I am not a person to ever forget those that have stood up for me and what I believe to be true and fair.

I do not actually even look at statements or assumptions as MINE and YOURS i describe them as mine or yours here so people can see which posts I refer to only without describing them all over again. There are just 2 views. I would like to use this EXACT THREAD TO DEMONSTRATE just how much things need to change to allow optimal views to flourish. I am not for stamping out any persons views at all. All people must have fair chance to present their views on this board that is exactly my point. If you believe something you must be allowed to post it. You though must allow anything you post to be examined and evaluated in public in a reasonable logical way. If you get something wrong you are not losing anything you are actually gaining from others time and effort spent to help you upgrade your views and assumptions for free.

Let us in public now explore all of this and find the truth or which post of the 2 is more valuable.

I am very open minded and fully accept I could be totally wrong about everything. Honestly I have no problem adapting my views to adopt views that are more optimal. You will be helping me. I will honestly believe that I have gained by actually being proven incorrect.

Help me now.

Once you have helped me change my views on the things that I have said then I will certainly reward you will a big chunk of the merit I have got to give away.

You see what I believe is happening here is a lot of people feel that I am being negative about the systems and their lack of a clear mandate and clear criteria ....they do not realise that you can look at it like I am merely observing how it works and suggesting improvements to help. But to do that I must demonstrate the need for that and the fact it is open to gross abuse and is in it current form a dangerous system.

I don't think anyone in their right mind can draw any other conclusion that it has become sadly personal if you examine the evidence this gang is is a terrible thing to see and the fact they are in both control systems needs to be addressed

Read the threads starting here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063753.0

1st ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081670.0 more coming
2nd https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5084723.0
3rd https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.0 more coming
4th https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086816.msg48751215#msg48751215
5th https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.0

6th https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48790244#msg48790244

I will of course detail exactly each and everyone if I have to. However it is enough for me to say they are completely moronic and pathetic and have achieved absolutely nothing of note. These individuals behaviour (although I admit my own had been a little extreme of late when realising just how dirty these scum are) is not important they just serve to demonstrate the systems in place do not keep these in check.

Now of course all of that gang pouring over my post history looking for some technicality to have me silenced is not a collusion nor conspiracy of any sort or nothing personal.

However I believe it makes them even more net negative to the board than they already are for making some people if not many scared to voice their own views. I mean for me if a copy and paste was to help someone gain greater understanding or help them find the truth then that person is to be commended and is still actually net positive even on that case alone. I have often posted mining guides and answers to people I can not say for sure that I have always posted a link.

People have been telling me you better review your entire post history for any possible mistake because these system controllers will try to find any error you have made whilst helping people to get you banned.

FUCK THAT. I will not be scared of these system abuser. They are whack a mole nothings, the sort of snitches at school you bitch slap for telling the teacher your swore last period. I will never be afraid of them.

I go further to suggest that people causing anyone net positive to be extracted from this board who is hugely net positive then become net negative themselves. That is without them clearly casting a shadow over this board where people dare not speak out against them.

This though more personal issue that has blown up is not my main concern here at all. I am preferring here to concentrate on the system level changes we should implement. I will only bother to continue to contain the personal element in this thread if it is called for by others.

My focus here is to get off of this path entirely or implement 100's of other legends to the merit sources and DT lists to at once to dilute down any collusion that is taking place.

I still stick to the fact that removing the sigs for everyone is the most sensible solution. All of my other suggestions are valid and essential.

Let's stick to the numbered points for a start.

I am busy lately this is why I have take a time to reply and that will be the case for a few days due to xmas poor pre planning.

To the persons who have messaged me saying do not be worried and upset. I think you are fantastic and to the one person trying to stand up for my views chosen username you are more of a LEGEND here than any of this gang that dress up nothing and illogical nonsense as sensible valuable posts to spam their "EXCLUSIVE AND HIGHLY PAID SIGS" AND "NO WAY IN HELL WILL THEY REMOVE THEM" to set a good example or to not look like total hypocrites for saying financially motivated post with a straight face and saying their greatest achievement is since being here "GETTING INTO AN EXCULSIVE HIGHLY PAID SIG CAMPAIGN". Morons of the highest self attributed merit making these statement about this the greatest board on the net and the most important website in the entire world that can bring real change and is bringing real change bigger than even the internet itself. On this board they dare to say though with impunity and their self given high merits scores that

a. - most pre merit legends are spammers?
b. - that I am an idiot and incorrect to believe that some of the 99.93% of current posters (not top200 merit hoarders) are able to make posts as good if not better than some of the 0.13% of the board (top 200 merit hoarders)

you disrespect 99.93% of users and the people that started this you filthy cowardly jackal hiding in your gang??? on this board in the sub board that controls this place. NOT ANYMORE FUCKTARD I AM HERE TO STAND UP TO YOU IF NOBODY ELSE WILL AND AFTER ME THERE WILL BE MORE COMING HERE.

This board is the best board on the net and what ever happens to cryptohunter his spirit will live on through his friends with very similar views and very similar ways of presenting them what ever happens to him. A merry xmas to all of you that really support the ideologies that drive forward to a goal of an end to end trustless arena for all.

I look forward to keeping this debate going and going... until one view is clearly accepted as being correct.

A little xmas mention to anonymint a person that made fantastic arguments here on all kinds of things not just technical matters and a far smarter person than the vast vast vast majority here and of infinite more value than all of the GANG here including laudaM (now lauda)that scam promoting piece of shit that promoted him getting banned.

I can tell you now that chosen username (who ever you are) you are worth infinite everyone who dares not speak out about the gang taking over this board and of infinite value above those that will oppose observable instances and events to suite their own personal selfish agendas. You will not be forgotten here forgotten here.

People do not understand how important this board is for making big changes in the world in the future and how important it is that people get to post exactly what they like so long as it is accompanied by corroborating events or observable events and therefore is entirely reasonable.

To those other members (actmyname) that have stood up for me and pushed back the abuse of the sytem by nulling their attempts to silence me (not that red trust means shit to me since I don't trade at all) but still anyone standing up for what is right is demonstrating they deserve to be in a position of responsibility. All the others remaining silent trying to not get involved you need to start doing your jobs or pass these positions to those that will.

I am not intending on staying forever in meta nor wasting my precious time on most of the dogs and ass lickers lurking here trying for some power and influence or merit crumbs from a broken and abused system in fact i tell you now it is a cancer here and a method of control that needs to be deleted or reset with clear criteria and clear punishment for abuse and to be able to reverse it if later merits were given for provably incorrect statements or assumptions.

Coward jackal gang.... whilst browsing my post history for excuses to shut this account down and wishing you were me ..please can you spell check and paragraph it nicely and all that shit too. I would like it done by the new year and there is a bunch of you working on it as I can see from your comments...... no excuse with such ~~man~~ jackal power not to have the entire thing reviewed by then all nearly 13k posts. I like to enjoy a great book in the festive periods too.

Although you all complain about alt discussion ......... i can't wait to return you feel all dirty and contaminated after a long spell in meta it seems.

All I wish for xmas is ......... some changes back to the path of free speech here and merit and the trust systems are the proven and obvious enemy of such a thing.

I would prefer to move this to a more system level discussion but I will not shrink away from naming gang members here if people drive for it.

merry xmas to all though - even jackals and cowards should enjoy some rest and to... lick their own ass ( ha that just hits me with a very fitting description of how the merit system is operating right now...)

merry xmas and a happy new year indeed to chosen username and those that have done the right thing since I have been here.